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proving homosexuality has a biological cause

enchanted_one1975

Resident Lycanthrope
Therefore? Are you seriously arguing that abuse is only abuse if it's against one's will?
Yes I am. I won't get into details because it would be inappropriate for this forum, but I have had (and still have) first hand experience in a S&M inclusive relationship. I consent, she respects my limits, we both enjoy it, and no "abuse" takes place. Again, the key here is the word "consent." She does nothing to me against my will. Would you consider a couple that consensually participates in activities involving bondage the same as a man that kidnaps women just because she is restrained? Consent is the key!
 

Jamal_a_Man

Member
Peace to all in this thread!

My view on homosexuality is quite simple. i will try my level best to explain it but please bare with me as i have not really had this discussion before and i am sure my view will develop as this thread does in time.

In my opinion i feel that homosexuality is a choice. Not only is it a choice but it is on that is unnatural to the person at hand to begin with. if you look at all creation you can see that all things are made in pairs, even plants. it is logical to then assume that the male and female were almost designed for each other.

Homosexuality is developed in a person?
how? well let me give you an example;

People all over the world are born either left handed or right handed. Those that are left handed are less dexterous with their right hand and vice versa. Similary, people are born heterosexual. They are thus less inclined to the same sex.
I remember that before my younger brother was sitting a very important exam, he had broken his writing hand (left hand) and thus could not write with it. In an effort to allow him to sit the exam without any disadvantage, we taught him how to use his right hand. Thus we trained him against his natural set up but non the less he was able to write very well with his right hand. Now he is bi-manual.
Similarly homosexuals are born heterosexual. However, due to exterior influences they are entrained against their natural behavior. Once a person allows homosexual thoughts into their mind and does not reject them, slowly these influences will manifest in physiological instance of arousal and attraction to the same sex.
Homosexuality is at its peak today and in greater numbers than it has ever been. Some will argue that this is because now that it is more socially acceptable, people are unafraid of emerging from their 'closet'. However, i feel it is due to the fact that a greater proportion of individuals are inclined to this lifestyle now as it is publicized and promoted as being 'cool'.
Gay individuals are shown to be great fun, good friends to women and more in touch with their feminine side and thus it is a more desirable lifestyle choice.

If you think that homosexuality is not a manifestation of ill, unnatural thoughts and a lack of self control as well as a lack of control of ones desires then you must agree that being bisexual is also a natural way of life and not a choice. If you believe that being bisexual and being homosexual is not a choice then i ask you what about the paedophile? Does the paedophile not deserve any sympathy? he/she too must be one who has not chosen their way of life according to your way of thinking. Can paedophiles help what is sexually arousing to them? no they cant. the only difference is that children cannot consent to sex and there is the dilema. homosexuals generaly recieve consent before any sexual act, but the paedophile cannot gain consent from the other involved unless he come to the parent and asks them! what would you say if you were approached by a paedophile who told you he didnt choose this way of life, he was mad ethis way but would like consent? i know what i woudl say.

Thus, paedophiles, homosexual and bisexuals suffer fromt he same causative factor. That is that they have allowed unnatural thoughts ideas and feelings to creep into their mind. Pornography distorts the mind and numbs ones sexual appetite, thus they go looking for something new and wild. Society today promotes Homosexuality and it is broadcasted more and more on TV as if it is a Cool way to live.

If these three were natural then let me ask you, why is it that there are so many health risks associated with homosexual intercourse, especially anal sex. If it is soo natural then why is it that one reasilizes their sexuality later on in life and not immediately or before the age of 10? i know i was heterosexual from a very early age.

Thus in conclusion, it is perverted thoughts and entrainment that leads to one being homosexual. We are not born homo, bi, or paedo it is our experiences and what we allow to settle in our minds and when we are desir/pleasure driven that leads to these lifestyles and manifests in our actions.

I would just like to say, i hope i did not offend any one, i am only trying to be honest in my opinion. If you disagree with me then please tell me why and i will refelct ont hat and ge tback to you as soon as possible.

Many Thanks,

Jamal
 

tomasortega

Active Member
wow. this has got to be the fastest growing thread i have ever seen. just 6 hours ago i posted on page 2 now we are on page 15. oh, and good news, the troll has been banned.
 

MSizer

MSizer
My view on homosexuality is quite simple.
Jamal

That's the only correct statement you made in the entire thread. Your lack of scientific support for your claims is surprising, but maybe you've never done any research. I'm not going to try to debate you on somehting you can look up yourself. However, the immorality of your opinion does indeed concern me very much. I hope you do some reading.
 

Jamal_a_Man

Member
That's the only correct statement you made in the entire thread. Your lack of scientific support for your claims is surprising, but maybe you've never done any research. I'm not going to try to debate you on somehting you can look up yourself. However, the immorality of your opinion does indeed concern me very much. I hope you do some reading.

so tell me, what is the fundamental difference between the attraction a pedophile has to a child and the attraction a male has to another male?

One gains consent and the other cant. But are they both not aroused and attracted to their respective choices?

Are you honestly going to tell me that pedophiles have no say in what they are attracted to, like homosexuals?
 
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MSizer

MSizer
so tell me, what is the fundamental difference between the attraction a pedophile has to a child and the attraction a male has to another male?

One gains consent and the other cant. But are they both not aroused and attracted to their respective choices?

None. Just like it is no different than a male being attracted to a female. What matters is whether a person who acts on his sexual desires involves people who are in a good state of mind and provide consent. If a father and his adult son want to have sex, as long as they're both sane and understand the potential consequences, all is good.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
In my opinion i feel that homosexuality is a choice. Not only is it a choice but it is on that is unnatural to the person at hand to begin with. if you look at all creation you can see that all things are made in pairs, even plants. it is logical to then assume that the male and female were almost designed for each other.
Many plants have both male and female organs.
And your logic depends on a Creationist view, and is therefor immaterial in a secular world.



People all over the world are born either left handed or right handed. Those that are left handed are less dexterous with their right hand and vice versa. Similary, people are born heterosexual.
And some are born homosexual, just like right and left handedness.
Similarly homosexuals are born heterosexual.
Do you have research to back up that claim?
Gay individuals are shown to be great fun, good friends to women and more in touch with their feminine side and thus it is a more desirable lifestyle choice.
Gay individuals are also shown being dragged behind a pickup and tied to a fence post. Very desirable.


If you think that homosexuality is not a manifestation of ill, unnatural thoughts and a lack of self control as well as a lack of control of ones desires then you must agree that being bisexual is also a natural way of life and not a choice. If you believe that being bisexual and being homosexual is not a choice then i ask you what about the paedophile? Does the paedophile not deserve any sympathy?
No, it does not. As it involves children under the age of consent. And it is great insult to compare homosexual love between consenting adults to pedophilia.

Thus, paedophiles, homosexual and bisexuals suffer fromt he same causative factor.

Psychologists would disagree.


i know i was heterosexual from a very early age.

As many homosexuals know from an early age that they are attracted to the same sex.

Thus in conclusion, it is perverted thoughts and entrainment that leads to one being homosexual.
The perversion is simply your own opinion. And your conclusions do not match any accepted version of homosexuality.


I would just like to say, i hope i did not offend any one, i am only trying to be honest in my opinion. If you disagree with me then please tell me why and i will refelct ont hat and ge tback to you as soon as possible.

Many Thanks,

Jamal

Well, you probably did offend with your pedophilia an perversion remarks.

Now, without using your scriptures for reference. Can you rationally give a reason for classifying homosexual behavior as immoral?
 
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Jamal_a_Man

Member
None. Just like it is no different than a male being attracted to a female. What matters is whether a person who acts on his sexual desires involves people who are in a good state of mind and provide consent. If a father and his adult son want to have sex, as long as they're both sane and understand the potential consequences, all is good.

Thank you, i can see how you think now. However, just by consenting to something does not make it a natural act. i hope you can understand that. I am sure you also believe in euthanasia as it is consented. Just because two people who are sick (ill minded) are consenting to something it does not make that action a right action.

Jamal
 

Jamal_a_Man

Member
Many plants have both male and female organs.
And your logic depends on a Creationist view, and is therefor immaterial in a secular world.




And some are born homosexual, just like right and left handedness.

Do you have research to back up that claim?

Gay individuals are also shown being dragged behind a pickup and tied to a fence post. Very desirable.



No, it does not. As it involves children under the age of consent. And it is great insult to compare homosexual love between consenting adults to pedophilia.



Psychologists would disagree.




As many homosexuals know from an early age that they are attracted to the same sex.


The perversion is simply your own opinion. And your conclusions do not match any accepted version of homosexuality.




Well, you probably did offend with your pedophilia an perversion remarks.

Now, without using your Bible for reference. Can you rationaly give a reason for classifying homosexual behavior as immoral?

I am aware of the fact that some plants have both male and female sex organs, however, the male part fertilizes the female part. Just because the world is moving to a more secularized standpoint makes no difference. i am not imposing my view upon others i am just sharing. If you do not accept it, then that is your choice.

I have yet to meet a child who tells me that he is a homosexual.

Yes, there have been instances where Gays have been shown to have been bullied etc. and i disagree with that behaviour, however, you cannot deny that the amount of pro-gay advertising going on far outweighs the anti-gay promotions.

yes i already highlighted that there is a difference in consent between pedos- and gays, but the fundamental arousal and attraction to their respected preferences is still undeniably the same. other are aroused and attracted to animals, are we born like this too? or is this a behavioral choice? i think it is the later.

you can beat around the bush as much as you want, and try and make allowances for a individual who is severely confused. i have known Gays who have made a U-turn and become straight and cant bare to think what they used to do, and thus i feel it is more of a mental sickness than a genetic or biological factor.

why is it wrong? go look up the risks included with have anal sex? what is the purpose of it other than pleasure? there is no benefit other than self satisfaction, and what a horible way to satisfy one's self. Believe it or not, but being a medical doctor, i know that the walls of your anal canal were never meant to sustain heavy penetration by any object especially with one that also carries diease from one person to another.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
why is it wrong? go look up the risks included with have anal sex? what is the purpose of it other than pleasure? there is no benefit other than self satisfaction, and what a horible way to satisfy one's self. Believe it or not, but being a medical doctor, i know that the walls of your anal canal were never meant to sustain heavy penetration by any object especially with one that also carries diease from one person to another.
No, I asked for a rational explanation of why homosexuality should be deemed immoral.
Heterosexual sex can also carry disease. As can handshaking, Or kissing.

Other than the two consenting adults, who is affected physically by homosexual sex?
Why should it be considered immoral?
 

MSizer

MSizer
I have yet to meet a child who tells me that he is a homosexual.

I have yet to meet a child who tells me that he is heterosexual.

you cannot deny that the amount of pro-gay advertising going on far outweighs the anti-gay promotions.

If you were fired for being heterosexual, would you not protest?

why is it wrong? go look up the risks included with have anal sex? what is the purpose of it other than pleasure? there is no benefit other than self satisfaction

Then I guess sports a wrong too. They're purely for pleasure and certainly risky to one's health. So is the hajj, and ramadan too.
 

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
I have yet to meet a child who tells me that he is heterosexual.

If you were fired for being heterosexual, would you not protest?

Then I guess sports a wrong too. They're purely for pleasure and certainly risky to one's health. So is the hajj, and ramadan too.

Three very good points..

frubals++
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
MSizer said:
Then I guess sports a wrong too. They're purely for pleasure and certainly risky to one's health. So is the hajj, and ramadan too.

So is always wearing a Niqab when outdoors, it can lead to Vitamin D problems IIRC.

Why don't people realise than Hetero-Sexual sex can lead to disease too?
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
so tell me, what is the fundamental difference between the attraction a pedophile has to a child and the attraction a male has to another male?

One gains consent and the other cant. But are they both not aroused and attracted to their respective choices?

Are you honestly going to tell me that pedophiles have no say in what they are attracted to, like homosexuals?

You are wrong.

Consent has nothing to do with attraction.
 
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