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Proving Life After Death

musamiah

New Member
1. Belief in the hereafter is not based on blind faith?

Many people wonder as to how a person with a scientific and logical temperament, can lend any credence to the belief of life after death. People assume that anyone believing in the hereafter is doing so on the basis of blind belief.

My belief in the hereafter is based on a logical argument.

2. Hereafter a logical belief

There are more than a thousand verses in the Glorious Qur’an, containing scientific facts (refer my book "Qur’an and Modern Science-Compatible or Incompatible?"). Many facts mentioned in the Qur’an have been discovered in the last few centuries. But science has not advanced to a level where it can confirm every statement of the Qur’an.

Suppose 80% of all that is mentioned in the Qur’an has been proved 100% correct. About the remaining 20%, science makes no categorical statement, since it has not advanced to a level, where it can either prove or disprove these statements. With the limited knowledge that we have, we cannot say for sure whether even a single percentage or a single verse of the Qur’an from this 20% portion is wrong. Thus when 80% of the Qur’an is 100% correct and the remaining 20% is not disproved, logic says that even the 20% portion is correct. The existence of the hereafter, which is mentioned in the Qur’an, falls in the 20% ambiguous portion which my logic says is correct.

3. Concept of peace and human values is useless without the concept of hereafter

Is robbing a good or an evil act? A normal balanced person would say it is evil. How would a person who does not believe in the hereafter convince a powerful and influential criminal that robbing is evil?

Suppose I am the most powerful and influential criminal in the world. At the same time I am an Intelligent and a logical person. I say that robbing is good because it helps me lead a luxurious life. Thus robbing is good for me.

If anybody can put forward a single logical argument as to why it is evil for me, I will stop immediately. People usually put forward the following arguments:

a. The person who is robbed will face difficulties

Some may say that the person who is robbed will face difficulties. I certainly agree that it is bad for the person who is robbed. But it is good for me. If I rob a thousand dollars, I can enjoy a good meal at a 5 star restaurant.

b. Someone may rob you

Some people argue that someday I may be robbed. No one can rob me because I am a very powerful criminal and I have hundreds of bodyguards. I can rob anybody but nobody can rob me. Robbing may be a risky profession for a common man but not for an influential person like me.

c. The police may arrest you

Some may say, if you rob, you can be arrested by the police. The police cannot arrest me because I have the police on my payroll. I have the ministers on my payroll. I agree that if a common man robs, he will be arrested and it will be bad for him, but I am an extraordinarily influential and powerful criminal.

Give me one logical reason why it is bad for me and I will stop robbing.

d. Its easy money

Some may say its easy money and not hard-earned money. I agree completely that it is easy money, and that is one of the main reasons why I rob. If a person has the option of earning money the easy as well as the hard way, any logical person would choose the easy way.

e. It is against humanity

Some may say it is against humanity and that a person should care for other human beings. I counter argue by asking as to who wrote this law called ‘humanity’ and why should I follow it?

This law may be good for the emotional and sentimental people but I am a logical person and I see no benefit in caring for other human beings.

f. It is a selfish act

Some may say that robbing is being selfish. It is true that robbing is a selfish act; but then why should I not be selfish? It helps me enjoy life.

1. No logical reason for robbing being an evil act

Hence all arguments that attempt to prove that robbing is an evil act are futile. These arguments may satisfy a common man but not a powerful and influential criminal like me. None of the arguments can be defended on the strength of reason and logic. It is no surprise that there are so many criminals in this world.

Similarly raping, cheating etc. can be justified as good for a person like me and there is no logical argument that can convince me that these things are bad.

2. A Muslim can convince a powerful and influential criminal

Now let us switch sides. Suppose you are the most powerful and influential criminal in the world, who has the police and the ministers on his payroll. You have army of thugs to protect you. I am a Muslim who will convince you that robbing, raping, cheating, etc. are evil acts.

Even if I put forth the same arguments to prove that robbing is evil the criminal will respond the same way as he did earlier.

I agree that the criminal is being logical and all his arguments are true only when he is the most powerful and influential criminal.

3. Every human being wants justice

Each and every human being desires justice. Even if he does not want justice for others he wants justice for himself. Some people are intoxicated by power and influence and inflict pain and suffering on others. The same people, however, would surely object if some injustice was done to them. The reason such people become insensitive to the suffering of others is that they worship power and influence. Power and influence, they feel, not only allows them to inflict injustice on others but also prevents others from doing likewise to them.

4. God is Most Powerful and Just

As a Muslim I would convince the criminal about the existence of Almighty God (refer to answer proving the existence of God). This God is more powerful than you and at the same time is also just. The Glorious Qur’an says:

"Allah is never unjust
In the least degree"
[Al-Qur’an 4:40]

5. Why does God not punish me?

The criminal, being a logical and scientific person, agrees that God exists, after being presented with scientific facts from the Qur’an. He may argue as to why God, if He is Powerful and Just, does not punish him.

6. The people who do injustice should be punished

Every person who has suffered injustice, irrespective of financial or social status, almost certainly wants the perpetrator of injustice to be punished. Every normal person would like the robber or the rapist to be taught a lesson. Though a large number of criminals are punished, many even go scot-free. They lead a pleasant, luxurious life, and even enjoy a peaceful existence. If injustice is done to a powerful and influential person, by someone more powerful and more influential than he, even such a person would want that person perpetrators of injustice to be punished.

7. This life is a test for the hereafter

This life is a test for the hereafter. The Glorious Qur’an says:

"He who created Death
And life that He
May try which of you
Is best in deed;
And He is the Exalted
In Might, Oft-Forgiving"
[Al-Qur’an 67:2]
 

I love Islam

New Member
Why do we live If there is no life after death ?

What is the purpose of our existence in this life ?

Who created you can created you again to life after death

I hope you find the truth
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Runewolf,

No need to find that truth. We all live with that truth inside of us. Only need to shed the lies with which we cover ourselves.

Hmm!, guess truth and lies are always together on the same pole; one needs to bring awareness about it, rest happens on its own accord.

Love & rgds
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
1. Belief in the hereafter is not based on blind faith?

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And He is the Exalted
In Might, Oft-Forgiving"
[Al-Qur&#8217;an 67:2]
When you are going to post the work of another person, it is incumbent on you to provide that information.
Oddly, I knew I was reading the "work" of Dr. Zakir Naik after about line three as there is always a certain aroma to his thinking.

Sources: Islamic Voice, New NetPakistani.Com
 

lockyfan

Active Member
A test?
For whose benefit?
For if god is all knowing, he already knows the results.
So what is the purpose of the test?


to see if you are willing to follow no matter what hte ost, to testo ut your heart to see if it will change as did Judas Iscariots.

but i disagree, ther is no immediate life after death for humans. Only those of the 144 000 anointed class still alive today get that, they go to heaven when/if they die (some will make it through armageddon alive) and then they have a purpose of serving as kings/priests during christ rule
 

DavyCrocket2003

Well-Known Member
A test?
For whose benefit?
For if god is all knowing, he already knows the results.
So what is the purpose of the test?

Not the answer you want, I know, but it's a good question so...
You're right. God already knows the results. So the test is not for him to find out anything. It is for us to test ourselves. God could tell us what's going to happen. What good would that do? It is one thing to be told something, a completely different to experience something. This life shows us more of who we are that we never knew. It teases out new parts of our character we never knew existed.
 

DavyCrocket2003

Well-Known Member
to see if you are willing to follow no matter what hte ost, to testo ut your heart to see if it will change as did Judas Iscariots.

but i disagree, ther is no immediate life after death for humans. Only those of the 144 000 anointed class still alive today get that, they go to heaven when/if they die (some will make it through armageddon alive) and then they have a purpose of serving as kings/priests during christ rule

What happens to everyone else? Do they still exist in some form or other?
 

lockyfan

Active Member
What happens to everyone else? Do they still exist in some form or other?
Right now it is a life or death thing, as we are so close to the end of Satans rule now

but those dead are dead it is the opposite of life but they have the hope of the esurrection during hte millenial rule and the perfection of the human race.


Ecclesiasties 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten

Ps 115:17 The dead themselves do not praise Jah, Nor do any going down into silence

Ps 146:4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish

but we know we have the hope for a resurrection tfrom the bible. from the prophets of old who resurrected people from the dead to Jesus who ressurected Lazarus and others, plus we know that christ was ressurected, but he to a life in heaven as that was his reward forbeing faithful to Jehovah God
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
What evidence do we have besides our Bibles that can prove that there is life after death?

I struggle with this whenever my question is in faith...
Actually, in the Bible, the only hope for 'life after death', is in the coming resurrection (John 5:28-29; Acts of the Apostles 24:15). There is no immediate afterlife. The dead "know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5. Cf. Psalms 146:3-4; Genesis 3:19)"....they are "sleeping", in a way that only through a resurrection will they come back to life (John 11:11-14).

Death will soon be "no more." Revelation 21:3-4.
 
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