Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[Kerr]

Ok, eselam, let me ask you some questions. One, assuming only humans are homosexuals, what does that mean? Second, assuming homosexuality is common among animals (which actually seems to be the case, and I have yet to see anything pointing to something else), how would that affect you? What is it with that, that you dislike so much?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Both eselam and fatihah are experts at the act of denial. As evidenced throughout this thread.
It matters not what is presented to them, they will deny and ask for further proof.

Now, back once again to the thread OP.
Any atheists here now convinced of the existence of Allah?

Nope..quite the opposite....heck...even MORE oposite...considering the content of the arguments and denial....

 

[Fatihah]

First of all looking at the males having sex with each other....Note, Bucks (Male Deer) are the only ones with horns. But even if you didn't except that one....the very next clip shows two male dogs having sex....proof is when they switched position. The video was pretty much a compilation of videos of various people who took the footage. The second video was of two female primates....Come on now...You're being very dishonest.

Response: I sincerely hope you are joking. They're not videos of sexual intercourse. They're videos of animals humping each other. LoL.

O.K. Maybe I get it. Maybe the problem here as that you, as well as others taking your posistion, don't know what sex is. So let me take the time to briefly explain it to you.

You see Dirty Penguin, despite the popular belief here, sexual intercourse takes place when the male takes his penis and puts it inside of the female's vagina. With me so far? Good.

Now there's a such thing called anal sex and oral sex. In anal sex, the same takes place as above except the penis goes in the anal. As for oral sex, what takes place is that the individual allows another to pleasue them by letting the other use their mouth on the their penis or vagina. (Such as licking or sucking, etc).

Now Dirty Penguin, since we are speaking of homosexuality, we would be referring to anal and oral sex. No where in the whole video does this take place. No where. There is not a single image where we can clearly see anyone's anal being penetrated this way and you know this. So since there is none, it's a blatant lie or simply dilusion on your part to say that homosexual sex is taking place.

As for oral, let's try to use our common sense for this one. Animals do in fact clean each other. This is done by licking. Have you ever heard of a cat? You have? Good. Well Dirty Penguin, cats are a prime example of this. And yes, they even clean each others's private parts with their tongues as well. When you see a cat cleaning their own private part, are you suggesting that the cat is performing oral sex on themself? Of course not. (Or maybe you do).

So in conclusion, humping is not sex. I can also provide images of animals humping a teddy bear or dogs humping their owners leg. So what are they? A teddysexual? A Legsexual? Try using your common sense. It does help in the short and long run.

 

[Fatihah]

I ask you in post 773:

Response: I'll just ask one final question to you on the subject because I for one can't waist time talking to a person who is clearly lying or delusional and refuses to acknowledge common sense. After all, it's pointless. You can't rationalize with such a person because their delusion and lack of common sense gets in the way. So instead, I'll just finally use my argument to draw attention to your delusion and leave it at that with one simple question. And that is:

Are you telling me that in the videos you've posted, which we can ALL see, that it actually shows close up images of actual penetration in the anal of a male animal by another male animal with his penis? It's a simple yes or no. And from you answer, we can all watch the video and determine from your answer whether you are truthful, or a clearly delusional person with a severe lack of common sense.

To which you respond in post 776:

So basically, you refuse all other sources we've provided: videos, images, and scientific journals on animal Homo-Sexual behaviour. You also refuse to acknowledge the actions that the male animals are doing.

So basically, what you want us to do, is to produce an image or video, close up, right infront of the camera, of a male animals Anus being penetrated by another Male animals Penis? In a sense, you're requesting animal Porn (LOL!).

Nevermind, I'll try my best to find an image that literally leaves nothing to the imagination, since you're deliberately rejecting everything else.

A complete dodge of the question. What's the matter? It's a simple "yes" or "no" question and you couldn't answer. Denial confirmed. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[England my lionheart]

Forget the Animals for the time being Fatihah,please tell us in your own words what you think a Homosexual is.

 

[Kerr]

Response: I sincerely hope you are joking. They're not videos of sexual intercourse. They're videos of animals humping each other. LoL.

O.K. Maybe I get it. Maybe the problem here as that you, as well as others taking your posistion, don't know what sex is. So let me take the time to briefly explain it to you.

You see Dirty Penguin, despite the popular belief here, sexual intercourse takes place when the male takes his penis and puts it inside of the female's vagina. With me so far? Good.

Now there's a such thing called anal sex and oral sex. In anal sex, the same takes place as above except the penis goes in the anal. As for oral sex, what takes place is that the individual allows another to pleasue them by letting the other use their mouth on the their penis or vagina. (Such as licking or sucking, etc).

Now Dirty Penguin, since we are speaking of homosexuality, we would be referring to anal and oral sex. No where in the whole video does this take place. No where. There is not a single image where we can clearly see anyone's anal being penetrated this way and you know this. So since there is none, it's a blatant lie or simply dilusion on your part to say that homosexual sex is taking place.

As for oral, let's try to use our common sense for this one. Animals do in fact clean each other. This is done by licking. Have you ever heard of a cat? You have? Good. Well Dirty Penguin, cats are a prime example of this. And yes, they even clean each others's private parts with their tongues as well. When you see a cat cleaning their own private part, are you suggesting that the cat is performing oral sex on themself? Of course not. (Or maybe you do).

So in conclusion, humping is not sex. I can also provide images of animals humping a teddy bear or dogs humping their owners leg. So what are they? A teddysexual? A Legsexual? Try using your common sense. It does help in the short and long run.

Denial. Again. You only see what you want to see. The weird part is that if it was a male and a female, you would not have to see the penetration...

 

[Kerr]

I ask you in post 773:



To which you respond in post 776:



A complete dodge of the question. What's the matter? It's a simple "yes" or "no" question and you couldn't answer. Denial confirmed. Thanks for the confirmation.

And as we have pointed out, you do not have to see the penetration to know what is going on.

 

[richardlowellt]

you have demonstrated that you can remmber things, yes. but you haven't demostrated that you understand any of that. do you know what comprehennsion means? yeah i think you lack it.

[/QUOTE]I know perfectly well what comprehension means, it means I understand. I understand a belief in a mythical being, my children believed in Santa Claus for a long time, I see no difference between Santa and Allah, both are myths. You say I have a lack of understanding but I perfectly understand what you believe in. You believe that Allah causes rain to fall, you believe science has no answers for anything, that Allah is the cause of everything, you apparently cannot "comprehend" how the most basic science works, you prefer magic from an invisible being rather than scientific principals that operate here in the real world.

 

[YmirGF]

I know perfectly well what comprehension means, it means I understand. I understand a belief in a mythical being, my children believed in Santa Claus for a long time, I see no difference between Santa and Allah, both are myths. You say I have a lack of understanding but I perfectly understand what you believe in. You believe that Allah causes rain to fall, you believe science has no answers for anything, that Allah is the cause of everything, you apparently cannot "comprehend" how the most basic science works, you prefer magic from an invisible being rather than scientific principals that operate here in the real world.

If you "revert" to Islam, you will understand. :run:

 

[richardlowellt]

In order to present the correct God, You have to read the Bible,

Oh, you mean the book written by frightened old men? The one where women are treated so badly, and everyone thought slaves were ok, you mean that book?

Then present the real God, In order to present the correct concept of God, You need to read the Bible.

This is exactly the mentality that brought on the 100 year war of the roses, "My god is the correct god believe in him or I'll hack you to bits" nice demon god you have there.

No other religion has a living saviour

No they don't and neither does yours.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Response: I sincerely hope you are joking. They're not videos of sexual intercourse. They're videos of animals humping each other. LoL.

O.K. Maybe I get it. Maybe the problem here as that you, as well as others taking your posistion, don't know what sex is. So let me take the time to briefly explain it to you.

You see Dirty Penguin, despite the popular belief here, sexual intercourse takes place when the male takes his penis and puts it inside of the female's vagina. With me so far? Good.

Now there's a such thing called anal sex and oral sex. In anal sex, the same takes place as above except the penis goes in the anal. As for oral sex, what takes place is that the individual allows another to pleasue them by letting the other use their mouth on the their penis or vagina. (Such as licking or sucking, etc).

Don't waste your time. Not only am I a grand father and I a great uncle.......Such a conversation does our debate no good.

Yes it does. And there was a video done by a Dr., I think he was a biologist showing primates engaging in oral sex.



Your problem is you're in denial. Not only do animal engage in what we classify as homosexual behaviour they also engage in self stimulization, as well as oral sex (hetero and homosexual). You lack some serious knowledge and understanding into the animal kingdom and I really do hope you, instead of giving us your long winded opinion, go and actual research this because we've given you plenty of examples of this.

Now Dirty Penguin, since we are speaking of homosexuality, we would be referring to anal and oral sex. No where in the whole video does this take place. No where.

YouTube - Monkey Blow Job

Deny if you like....

As for oral, let's try to use our common sense for this one. Animals do in fact clean each other. This is done by licking. Have you ever heard of a cat? You have? Good. Well Dirty Penguin, cats are a prime example of this. And yes, they even clean each others's private parts with their tongues as well. When you see a cat cleaning their own private part, are you suggesting that the cat is performing oral sex on themself? Of course not. (Or maybe you do).

And yet we do have clear example of primates performing masturbation on themselves as well as a partner. And there are cases (as well as video) of primates performing sexual acts on themselves and becoming aroused in the process. This is known as self gratification. Humans (which are animals) and animals in the zoo or whild or even domesticated do it.

 

[Aquitaine]

Response: I sincerely hope you are joking. They're not videos of sexual intercourse. They're videos of animals humping each other. LoL.

O.K. Maybe I get it. Maybe the problem here as that you, as well as others taking your posistion, don't know what sex is. So let me take the time to briefly explain it to you.

You see Dirty Penguin, despite the popular belief here, sexual intercourse takes place when the male takes his penis and puts it inside of the female's vagina. With me so far? Good.

Now there's a such thing called anal sex and oral sex. In anal sex, the same takes place as above except the penis goes in the anal. As for oral sex, what takes place is that the individual allows another to pleasue them by letting the other use their mouth on the their penis or vagina. (Such as licking or sucking, etc).

Now Dirty Penguin, since we are speaking of homosexuality, we would be referring to anal and oral sex. No where in the whole video does this take place. No where. There is not a single image where we can clearly see anyone's anal being penetrated this way and you know this. So since there is none, it's a blatant lie or simply dilusion on your part to say that homosexual sex is taking place.

As for oral, let's try to use our common sense for this one. Animals do in fact clean each other. This is done by licking. Have you ever heard of a cat? You have? Good. Well Dirty Penguin, cats are a prime example of this. And yes, they even clean each others's private parts with their tongues as well. When you see a cat cleaning their own private part, are you suggesting that the cat is performing oral sex on themself? Of course not. (Or maybe you do).

So in conclusion, humping is not sex. I can also provide images of animals humping a teddy bear or dogs humping their owners leg. So what are they? A teddysexual? A Legsexual? Try using your common sense. It does help in the short and long run.

So if a man bends you over, puts his arms around your butt, and starts thrusting his pelvis (and erected penis) into your rear, with the full intention of penetration, you wouldn't think of him as a Homo-Sexual only until you feel him literally penetrating your anus?

Would you joke with him and say, "Ah, you're not Gay, you're just Fatihahsexual LOL, use your common sense!"?

 

[Bismillah]

Can I please see some verses from the Qur'an that state animals have no choice in their actions?

I know perfectly well what comprehension means, it means I understand. I understand a belief in a mythical being, my children believed in Santa Claus for a long time, I see no difference between Santa and Allah, both are myths. You say I have a lack of understanding but I perfectly understand what you believe in. You believe that Allah causes rain to fall, you believe science has no answers for anything, that Allah is the cause of everything, you apparently cannot "comprehend" how the most basic science works, you prefer magic from an invisible being rather than scientific principals that operate here in the real world.

Yes, Algebra was the derivative of the Qur'an. Don't be foolish, the Qur'an is a guide to life, not an Encyclopedia Britannica. Muslims, learned ones that is, understand that there are physical phenomenon to explain the happenings of the physical world.

 

[Fatihah]

Yes it does. And there was a video done by a Dr., I think he was a biologist showing primates engaging in oral sex.



Your problem is you're in denial. Not only do animal engage in what we classify as homosexual behaviour they also engage in self stimulization, as well as oral sex (hetero and homosexual). You lack some serious knowledge and understanding into the animal kingdom and I really do hope you, instead of giving us your long winded opinion, go and actual research this because we've given you plenty of examples of this.





YouTube - Monkey Blow Job

Deny if you like....



And yet we do have clear example of primates performing masturbation on themselves as well as a partner. And there are cases (as well as video) of primates performing sexual acts on themselves and becoming aroused in the process. This is known as self gratification. Humans (which are animals) and animals in the zoo or whild or even domesticated do it.

Response: Still speaking about your imagination? And is that video supposed to be proof of oral sex between monkeys? LOL!! Please get a grip and hold on.

 

[Fatihah]

So if a man bends you over, puts his arms around your butt, and starts thrusting his pelvis (and erected penis) into your rear, with the full intention of penetration, you wouldn't think of him as a Homo-Sexual only until you feel him literally penetrating your anus?

Would you joke with him and say, "Ah, you're not Gay, you're just Fatihahsexual LOL, use your common sense!"?

Response: You should know. It is your field of expertise.

 

[Fatihah]

Denial. Again. You only see what you want to see. The weird part is that if it was a male and a female, you would not have to see the penetration...

Response: The weird part is that you actually think it's weird.

 

[Aquitaine]

Response: You should know. It is your field of expertise.

Oh come on! Ahahahahaha!

I was expecting some arrogant "Ah how illogical that it is you deny further common sense blah blah blah"...... instead, I got that!

Classic!

Hahahaha!

 

[Kerr]

Response: The weird part is that you actually think it's weird.

Not really.

 

[England my lionheart]

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Please stay on topic and refrain from personal comments.
Thanks

 

[YmirGF]

While I am fairly confident in saying that this thread does serve to prove something to atheists, but not what was defined in the OP.