Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[Kerr]

it means that some humans are homosexual. they need help.

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We are the only ones who goes to concerts and paints paintings as well, that does not mean we need help. Why does this one?

i haven't seen any proof that animals are homosexual. i have seen some photos that seem to tell nothing. other than that. :no: evidence.

You didn´t answer the question.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

And there is a perfect example of more denial. LOL Thanks Fatihah

 

[Fatihah]

And there is a perfect example of more denial. LOL Thanks Fatihah

Response: Likewise.

 

[Kerr]

:hug: do you need to talk to a counsellor?

Yes :hug:... all those animals... I am sure some people like things like that, but I am not one of them :no:.

 

[Gharib]

Response: Yes dear brother. We've watched how they've posted photo after photo of non-evidence. Clearly, they don't show homosexuality. When people act this irrational, I let them be. It makes no sense to provide evidence good brother. It's a waste of time being rational to those who are irrational and refuse to use common sense. In such a case, the next best thing is to keep them presenting their alleged evidence. When you do so, those who are rational and open minded will see their feeble attempts, and that alone will discourage them from the falsehood they preach and instead, inquire about islam. And to those people, we provide proof.

you said it brother. frubals for this great post.

 

[YmirGF]

Response: Likewise. Except the only exception for you is that no such proof is actually needed or required because, after all, proof has never been your forte.

My comment was simply a statement of fact, Fatihah. It is absolutely correct to say that Eselam, yourself and other Muslims hold to different root assumptions about reality than non-Muslims do. Eselam, yourself and other Muslims ARE the proof of what I am talking about.

In this particular case, you are shown videos of something you do not BELIEVE actually exists. It is because you do not BELIEVE that homosexuality exists in the animals kingdom that you cannot see the fairly obvious evidence presented. You could say the same thing about non-Muslims who are presented with passages from the Qur'an. We do not see what you do, as a rule, because we do not believe in the same root assumptions. This is what I am saying.

Please understand that I am trying to shed light on what is really going on here as opposed to taking sides in a frivolous discussion about behaviors that are considered to be common in the animal world. In all fairness, so far, the only people I have ever heard question this accepted opinion are Muslims who, as a group, are not noted for any current scientific investigation in animal behavior.

 

[Gharib]

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We are the only ones who goes to concerts and paints paintings as well, that does not mean we need help.

who said that those who go to concerts and drink all night don't need help?

Why does this one?

well cos they choose to be so, but think it's natural. so they don't try to change back.

You didn´t answer the question.

cos there is no question to answer. you haven't proven that those animals were really having sex. prove it THEN ask your question. ok

 

[Gharib]

Yes :hug:... all those animals... I am sure some people like things like that, but I am not one of them :no:.

whats wrong with homosexual animals? why don't you like that?

 

[Kerr]

whats wrong with homosexual animals? why don't you like that?

That it is homosexual sex is not the issue., maybe I just don´t like watching animals having sex.

 

[Gharib]

Alright I wasn't going to put this but since I'm seeing bias comments about homosexuals I will say it, my cousin is homosexual.

He hadn't come out until he was 17 and then had to stay with us because his parents kicked him out. Now they were willing to accept him later on but even then he says it's hard to be around them when they bring up his sexuality. And yes, he's been ridiculed and called names. I think he's one of the nicest people I know and I know that he did not choose his sexual orientation. Both his brothers no longer communicate to him and I find so flipping odd how you people go on about how awful it is like a disease that I don't know what to say or why people like you exist.

As I know, it is understandable for people to dislike homosexuality merely because they've brought up that way, find it odd given a society they live in or just feel uncomfortable that a gender doesn't fit a certain cultural aspect as expected within a restricted society.

I love him to death and he is not sick nor has he chosen his lifestyle. He is simply not attracted to females. Other than that, he's been very productive which is more than I can say for my hetero brother who's in jail again. He's very good with my sister's kids and loves to paint with me. In fact, I find we have a lot in common when it comes to our interests.

And I will repeat myself, he is not sick nor has a disease. He's a normal human being like everyone else and has done a lot to contribut to this world. I really don't understand why you guys think that having children is the only contribution to society especially with it being as crowded as it is.

Just my two cents.

you may be right about some thing. but not all the things you've said.

homosexuality is a choice. i can prove it. but i will need to do this with someone who knows what they are talking about. or maybe a homoseual himself.

no one is claiming that those who are homo have disseases. being homosexual is a dissease.

 

[Gharib]

That it is homosexual sex is not the issue., maybe I just don´t like watching animals having sex.

your previous statement proves to the contrary.

 

[Kerr]

who said that those who go to concerts and drink all night don't need help?

Who said anything about drinking? Maybe some people just to to listen to the band. I know I would, since I don´t drink alcohol.

well cos they choose to be so, but think it's natural. so they don't try to change back.

Why should they even want to? If something is natural or not does not matter to the morality of it.

cos there is no question to answer. you haven't proven that those animals were really having sex. prove it THEN ask your question. ok

Yes, there was a question, and it was a hypothetical one. Hypothetical questions does not need proof. So, answer the question.

 

[Kerr]

your previous statement proves to the contrary.

It was my statement, I think I know better then you what it meant.

 

[kai]

My comment was simply a statement of fact, Fatihah. It is absolutely correct to say that Eselam, yourself and other Muslims hold to different root assumptions about reality than non-Muslims do. Eselam, yourself and other Muslims ARE the proof of what I am talking about.

In this particular case, you are shown videos of something you do not BELIEVE actually exists. It is because you do not BELIEVE that homosexuality exists in the animals kingdom that you cannot see the fairly obvious evidence presented. You could say the same thing about non-Muslims who are presented with passages from the Qur'an. We do not see what you do, as a rule, because we do not believe in the same root assumptions. This is what I am saying.

Please understand that I am trying to shed light on what is really going on here as opposed to taking sides in a frivolous discussion about behaviors that are considered to be common in the animal world. In all fairness, so far, the only people I have ever heard question this accepted opinion are Muslims who, as a group, are not noted for any current scientific investigation in animal behavior.

I have to agree here. Its widely known that animals engage in Homosexual behaviour but people whos religious affiliations cannot except that, will ignore the evidence or try to argue against it. Why?

Its not the arguing about homosexual behavior thats interesting here but the unwillingness to accept anything that could be construed as undermining faith. Does whether animals participate in homosexual behaviour effect Islam in any way ? is it is the mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah ? all i know is that its in nature so we make of it what we will.


further info:

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.



Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate


Homosexual behaviour is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, according to a new study.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...spread-in-animals-according-to-new-study.html


More on our friends Roy and Silo

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bisexual-species




Why would the fact that animals participate in Homosexual behaviour be harmful to Islam in any way? Why the need to deny this?

 

[Kerr]

no one is claiming that those who are homo have disseases. being homosexual is a dissease.

Prove it.

 

[Gharib]

It was my statement, I think I know better then you what it meant.

thats not what the statement says. prove it that what you said is not what you meant.

 

[Kerr]

thats not what the statement says. prove it that what you said is not what you meant.

You seriously think you know better then me on this subject?

 

[Commoner]

thats not what the statement says. prove it that what you said is not what you meant.

Esalam, now you're getting a bit annoying. :slap:

 

[Gharib]

Prove it.

well 2 men can't have children with one another. meaning the human population will start to decrease. and i'm affraid thats what disseases do.

 

[Kerr]

well 2 men can't have children with one another. meaning the human population will start to decrease. and i'm affraid thats what disseases do.

Wrong, that does not qualify to call it a disease. And considering how overpopulated the world is, I think we would need a few more homosexuals. Assuming they do not decide to have children, that is.
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