Psalm 22 is about David, not Jesus?

[Rival]

Letting alone whether your interpretation of the Psalm is correct. You haven't made clear why a Messiah needs to do/be any different than say, Moses, who was a man who mediated between G-d and the nation.

Where the heck were you when I needed you in the past four pages??

 

[Redemptionsong]

Matthew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Yeshua didn't say just as I'm fully perfect.

The followers of Christ are made perfect in the body of Christ.

 

[Redemptionsong]

I do stuff outside of posting on RF, you understand. I'm not here 24/7.

Benjamin son of Jacob; Amram father of Moshe; Yishai (Jesse) father of David and Kilav son of David.

This is recorded in the Talmud in Tractate Shabbat 55b3

Four people died due to Adam’s sin with the serpent, in the wake of which death was decreed upon all of mankind, although they themselves were free of sin. And they are: Benjamin, son of Jacob; Amram, father of Moses; Yishai, father of David; and Kilab, son of David.

Enoch may also have been without sin.

Do you have scriptural references to support these claims?

 

[Tumah]

Where the heck were you when I needed you in the past four pages??

With a broken laptop, now its only mostly broken.

 

[Rival]

Do you have scriptural references to support these claims?

Do you think the Rabbis just sat and made stuff up?

So far, you haven't supported any of your claims that the moshiach has come. Would you care to back these up?

 

[Rival]

With a broken laptop, now its only mostly broken.

Aw, I hope you can sort the problem soon. Mine keeps telling me I need to install a real version of Windows...

 

[Redemptionsong]

Do you think the Rabbis just sat and made stuff up?

So far, you haven't supported any of your claims that the moshiach has come. Would you care to back these up?

I can't remember making such a claim. You seem to be moving the goal posts.

All the passages of scripture quoted to you have come from the Tanakh. All you have been asked to do is provide your own explanation of their meaning. The conclusions are clear for all to see.
Maybe Tumah would like to explain the meaning of Ezekiel 34:23, 24. I believe we have discussed this before.
'And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he
shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.'

 

[Rival]

I can't remember making such a claim. You seem to be moving the goal posts.

All the passages of scripture quoted to you have come from the Tanakh. All you have been asked to do is provide your own explanation of their meaning. The conclusions are clear for all to see.
Maybe Tumah would like to explain the meaning of Ezekiel 34:23, 24. I believe we have discussed this before.
'And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he
shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.'

I have provided an explanation. What do you think I've been doing for the past five pages?

You somehow believe that that these verses mean something entirely different and you also believe in a divine moshiach which has come, which is why your interpretations are different. What Tumah and I would like to know is why you believe in a divine moshiach to begin with, because there is no such concept in Tanach. How are you coming to your conclusions about moshiach?

 

[Rival]

@Redemptionsong

So I've just been through a thread where you and @Tumah had the same shepherd debate. Since now both of us have had a go, I don't think it's worth continuing this conversation unless you feel you have something new to bring to the table.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Letting alone whether your interpretation of the Psalm is correct. You haven't made clear why a Messiah needs to do/be any different than say, Moses, who was a man who mediated between G-d and the nation.

While you're fixing your computer, I'll respond to this.

Scripture does not declare Moses to be an everlasting shepherd. Moses stood between God and Israel for a time; Moses was not permitted to enter the Promised Land.

The Saviour gathers his people into an everlasting kingdom.

Jeremiah 10:10, 'But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not abide his indignation.'

 

[Redemptionsong]

So I've just been through a thread where you and @Tumah had the same shepherd debate. Since now both of us have had a go, I don't think it's worth continuing this conversation unless you feel you have something new to bring to the table.

I'm asking you to look one step further and explain how a man is able to save.

The issue is given a time frame in Hosea 5:15 and Hosea 6:1-3. Israel and Judah experience God's 'tearing'. The Lord then returns to his place for two days 'till they acknowledge their offence'.

In the third day he 'will raise us up'. So the news is good - but not until they 'seek my face'.

Put bluntly, how does Judah and Ephraim 'follow on to know the LORD' if not through a personal encounter with the one who has come to earth?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

The followers are Christ are made perfect in the body of Christ.

If people like Trump and Pence are examples of perfection- no thank you. I think I'll remain in the Buddha.

 

[74x12]

I don't see in these verses that 'man of God' necessarily implies prophet. Kings were anointed also, right?

Perhaps you have a theological motivation for making king David not a prophet when the scriptures are clear that he is one. The problem with what you said here is that no other anointed king is called "man of God" in the scriptures; only prophets are called that term other than king David. So we must assume David is considered a man of God and a prophet.

 

[74x12]

If people like Trump and Pence are examples of perfection- no thank you. I think I'll remain in the Buddha.

Imagine if we judged all Buddhists based on a few bad examples that claimed to be Buddhists?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Perhaps you have a theological motivation for making king David not a prophet when the scriptures are clear that he is one. The problem with what you said here is that no other anointed king is called "man of God" in the scriptures; only prophets are called that term other than king David. So we must assume David is considered a man of God and a prophet.

My theological motivation? What is that? I'm a Buddhist. It's enough for me that the Jews, the authors of these scriptures- say David is not a prophet. He had a prophet advisor. Whatever for?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Imagine if we judged all Buddhists based on a few bad examples that claimed to be Buddhists?

Then Buddhists would come out looking infinitely less violent and destructive than Christians. However, I desist. This kind of talk will get us no where. I wasn't meaning to imply Trump and Pence represent all Christians anyhow. Only Christians like I assume the user I was responding to is. You know- evangelicals. The preachy sort.

 

[74x12]

My theological motivation? What is that? I'm a Buddhist. It's enough for me that the Jews, the authors of these scriptures- say David is not a prophet. He had a prophet advisor. Whatever for?

Your theological motivation is obviously to prove Christianity wrong. I think you've come up short this time because a man of God is always a prophet in the Tanakh.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I think you've come up short this time because a man of God is always a prophet in the Tanakh.

You haven't demonstrated that at all. Only that you think it can be inferred that man of God is always prophet. Christians do something similar with the Hebrew word almah in Isaiah. They presume it always means virgin.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Your theological motivation is obviously to prove Christianity wrong.

How is that motivation theological? Also my motivation is not to prove Christianity is wrong. Only to get it's adherents to question their stances on the Hebrew Bible.

 

[74x12]

You haven't demonstrated that at all. Only that you think it can be inferred that man of God is always prophet. Christians do something similar with the Hebrew word almah in Isaiah. They presume it always means virgin.

Prove me wrong from the Bible.