Public School Bible Class: Imagine Adam Crawling up the Back of a Dinosaur

[Kenny]

I just love it when you try to be ... insulting.

It's so cute!

That's the message you seem to be portraying. Man has no responsibility for the wars, the chemicals, and the destroying of nature - it's just God's fault

 

[Skwim]

That's the message you seem to be portraying. Man has no responsibility for the wars, the chemicals, and the destroying of nature - it's just God's fault

Having created evil, passing along the mistake of A&E to all who followed, and establishing the nature of illness that results in so much of our misery, YES, ultimately it is his fault. Why? Because these are all things he could have chosen not to do or allow. So, when it comes down to the reality of the human condition, god ain't one of the good guys.

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[Kenny]

Having created evil, passing along the mistake of A&E to all who followed, and establishing the nature of illness that results in so much of our misery, YES, ultimately it is his fault. Why? Because these are all things he could have chosen not to do or allow. So, when it comes down to the reality of the human condition, god ain't one of the good guys.

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Who said He created evil? Let's start with that foundational statement before we reach any conclusion lest we are starting with a faulty statement

What evil did He create in the Garden?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Obviously you have decided to ignore the history according to scripture and decided to create your own version.

Can't help but wonder who you lost that hurt your heart

Scripture is your CLAIM-- you cannot use it for your proof.

But nevermindthat-- even your own bible agrees with my statement:

Is your god In Charge or Not?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I know you were trying to say something

Is your god In Charge or Not?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

That's the message you seem to be portraying. Man has no responsibility for the wars, the chemicals, and the destroying of nature - it's just God's fault

The above comment, is what is known as a LIE. The poster cannot refute (or even answer) my question.

So, instead, he projects a LIE-- I never mentioned anything in the above-- I very carefully did not.

He cannot answer my question: Why did his god allow diseases/starvation in infants?

Nor, my follow-up question: Why does his god punish the innocent for what happened long before they were born?

 

[Skwim]

Who said He created evil? Let's start with that foundational statement before we reach any conclusion lest we are starting with a faulty statement

He said so:

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.​

What evil did He create in the Garden?

I have no idea.


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[McBell]

Who said He created evil?

so god did not create everything?
Prey tell, who/what created evil if not god?

Could not have been man, for adam and eve were tricked by the serpent....

 

[metis]

Who said He created evil? Let's start with that foundational statement before we reach any conclusion lest we are starting with a faulty statement

What evil did He create in the Garden?

One could take the tact that when God created good, he intrinsically created evil because that's what us not doing good is. Thus, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit (the "good"), the "evil" was them eating the forbidden fruit, even though that's not what God wanted them to do. Thus, a subsequent by-product of our free will.

 

[Kenny]

He said so:

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.​

I have no idea.


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Where there is no law there is no evil

Evil wasn't physically created - evil is a byproduct of declaring what is good.

Like a speed limit. The law didn't create evil but created the system that deformed what was evil

God didn't create evil in the Garden - Adam created evil when he decided to do what was good in his sight even though God established what was good

 

[Kenny]

One could take the tact that when God created good, he intrinsically created evil because that's what us not doing good is. Thus, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit (the "good"), the "evil" was them eating the forbidden fruit, even though that's not what God wanted them to do. Thus, a subsequent by-product of our free will.

EXACTLY - thus man created the evil by transgressing what God said was good

 

[Skwim]

Where there is no law there is no evil

Evil wasn't physically created - evil is a byproduct of declaring what is good.

Like a speed limit. The law didn't create evil but created the system that deformed what was evil

God didn't create evil in the Garden - Adam created evil when he decided to do what was good in his sight even though God established what was good

" I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

So once again the tap dancing begins.

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Amusing, but hardly convincing.​

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[Bob the Unbeliever]

Where there is no law there is no evil

Evil wasn't physically created - evil is a byproduct of declaring what is good.

Isn't that convenient.

So as long as there is no prohibition from murdering innocent babies, it's not an evil act?

Wow.... just.... <shaking my head>

 

[Kenny]

" I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

So once again the tap dancing begins.

Amusing, but hardly convincing.​

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From a Jewish perspective:

One could take the tact that when God created good, he intrinsically created evil because that's what us not doing good is. Thus, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit (the "good"), the "evil" was them eating the forbidden fruit, even though that's not what God wanted them to do. Thus, a subsequent by-product of our free will.

From a Christian perspective:

Where there is no law there is no evil

Evil wasn't physically created - evil is a byproduct of declaring what is good.

Like a speed limit. The law didn't create evil but created the system that deformed what was evil

God didn't create evil in the Garden - Adam created evil when he decided to do what was good in his sight even though God established what was good

Thus, by the witness of two, it was man that created the evil.

But you can still close your ears and think that you don't create evil.

 

[Kenny]

so god did not create everything?
Prey tell, who/what created evil if not god?

Could not have been man, for adam and eve were tricked by the serpent....

Adam was not tricked... he did in on purpose knowing it was wrong:

1 Tim 2: 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; (it was only Eve that was deceived.)

 

[Kenny]

Isn't that convenient.

So as long as there is no prohibition from murdering innocent babies, it's not an evil act?

Wow.... just.... <shaking my head>

Are you a sheep that baa's other people's posts?

OH, ALL KNOWING ONE, since you now know what Hitler did... would you have killed him if you had an opportunity or would you have let him just do it?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

From a Jewish perspective:



From a Christian perspective:



Thus, by the witness of two, it was man that created the evil.

But you can still close your ears and think that you don't create evil.

So your bible LIED? Ain't that nice....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Adam was not tricked... he did in on purpose knowing it was wrong:

False. By definition, he was innocent of Knowledge of Good And Evil.

He could DO NO WRONG, here-- for he had no clue what that even was!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Are you a sheep that baa's other people's posts?

OH, ALL KNOWING ONE, since you now know what Hitler did... would you have killed him if you had an opportunity or would you have let him just do it?

Once again, you had an opportunity to actually refute what I said-- instead you stoop to personal insults.

How very Jesus of you-- not.

As for Hitler? Had *I* been the Ultimate Creator of the Universe? I would have **fixed** Hitler before he was even born, such that he would not do what he did.

Just as your bible claims the bible-god does for every single fetus!

 

[Skwim]

From a Jewish perspective:



From a Christian perspective:



Thus, by the witness of two, it was man that created the evil.

But you can still close your ears and think that you don't create evil.

Errr, Adding one desperate excuse to another desperate excuse does not negate either desperate excuse. It just creates absurdity and laughter.

Thank you.

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