Punishing Trump Supporters

[Cooky]

I think it would be fair to @Shadow Wolf if it were true, Cooky. Don't you? To me, fairness is determined by whether or not something is true, not by who is offended.

But as I see it, there are two questions involved here, not just one. The first is a factual question about whether people have been doing X. That should and must be decided by the facts. It is too important of a question to leave up to people's fantasizing.

The second question is whether -- if people have indeed been doing X -- then what can and should be done about it? At this point, there is room for feelings, emotions, values, and such to weigh in. Indeed, they should be weighed and taken into account.

My 2 cents.

I can agree with much of your post... I just notice many posters are willing to associate anyone who attended the Trump rally at the White House as being responsible for the violence at the Capitol building, which I think is not true.

 

[SomeRandom]

I thought we were past this as a 1st world society. I guess we're not, but rather can pick and choose between groups ones that are okay to discriminate against by mere association and others that are not. Is that right?

Look in an ideal world, I would say that being disciplined for attending a rally peacefully wouldn’t ever happen. But companies don’t care about politics or your well-being or your humanity. They care about profit and if your actions reflect poorly on them and they think it will negatively impact their profits, they won’t hesitate to slap you down. Do I think that’s right? Of course not. But I accept reality. We live in a capitalist society which values money above all else. Weaponising politics is not a new thing and it’s not exclusive to any side. Everyone does it. Unfortunately.
Moral of the story, life freaking sucks

 

[SomeRandom]

I can agree with much of your post... I just notice many posters are willing to associate anyone who attended the Trump rally at the White House as being responsible for the violence at the Capitol building, which I think is not true.

I think that’s because it’s hard to seperate the two. If someone attended the White House rally but openly condemned the violence on the capitol building, I think that person should be absolved of any association. Silence speaks volumes, after all. Disavow and disavow loudly and watch how many people will let you off the hook, for lack of a better phrasing. Ffs there’s like 4 confirmed deaths. Why wouldn’t you want to shout from the rooftops that you had nothing to do with that? I’d be falling over myself to disassociate myself from something like that

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay, just like Muslims calling it blasphemy to depict an image of their prophet are all responsible for Charlie Hebedo killings. Is that fair?

Basically. They are promoting it, they are keeping that belief alive, they are demanding the rights of others be diminished because their religious sensibilities have been offended, and people have been killed over it.

 

[Sunstone]

The man in the OP went to the Whitehouse rally and then went home... He didn't go to the Capitol building at all, yet he's treated by his business partners as if he's a criminal anyways.

This won't be a popular thing to say with most people on both sides of the divide, but if I were in business again, and I found that my employee was a fanatic or even seriously at risk of becoming a fanatic, I would most likely let him go. It wouldn't matter to me if he was a fanatic in politics, or a fanatic in religion, or merely a fanatic obsessed with stalking his ex-wife. I would consider him an unnecessary and unacceptable risk, and I would let him go.

It's possible that the man's business partners simply didn't like his politics. That happens. Yet, in my experience, it is rare for a productive worker who is making money for the company to be let go solely for his politics.

 

[Cooky]

Basically. They are promoting it, they are keeping that belief alive, they are demanding the rights of others be diminished because their religious sensibilities have been offended, and people have been killed over it.

Interesting thought. Not sure exactly if I'm that eager to make such a connection yet though myself... But I see the consistency in your morals now... I see it.

 

[Sunstone]

Basically. They are promoting it, they are keeping that belief alive, they are demanding the rights of others be diminished because their religious sensibilities have been offended, and people have been killed over it.

As Sam Harris has tirelessly pointed out for decades now, the good people in a religion can and often do provide cover for the bad. They make it so easy for people to point to them saying, "See, there is nothing wrong with the religion itself. It's blameless. The responsibility for the bad things some of its members do, falls entirely on them." But you know, you can make exactly the same argument about any ideology or movement. We don't like to think about it these days, but there were actually some good people in the Nazi Party. At least, there were people who were no worse than the rest of us. Yet, how wrong it would be to therefore conclude Nazism itself was a benign and blameless ideology!

I have not a moment's doubt that most Trump supporters are no worse than the rest of us. Does that mean I should be blind to Trumpism?

 

[Cooky]

This won't be a popular thing to say with most people on both sides of the divide, but if I were in business again, and I found that my employee was a fanatic or even seriously at risk of becoming a fanatic, I would most likely let him go. It wouldn't matter to me if he was a fanatic in politics, or a fanatic in religion, or merely a fanatic obsessed with stalking his ex-wife. I would consider him an unnecessary and unacceptable risk, and I would let him go.

It's possible that the man's business partners simply didn't like his politics. That happens. Yet, in my experience, it is rare for a productive worker who is making money for the company to be let go solely for his politics.

That's a good point actually. Fanaticism can be a mental stumbling block that indicates a kind of attention problem. Such a person wouldn't be a good candidate for a whole lot of professional fields if they take things too far.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Progressives suddenly supporting corporation rights is a good joke.

Let's see how long that lasts ... maybe until another baker refuses to make a cake with certain decorations on it.

Until you have been stung by discrimination,
you have no idea how itvaffects people.

What discrimination are we talking about, exactly?

I asked earlier in this thread and no one responded.

The OP is about the entertainment business. The entertainment business is a bit unique ... after all, there’s no business like show business, as they say.

Is anyone getting discriminated against outside the entertainment industry simply for attending a lawful political rally? I haven’t heard of this.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

To me, fairness is determined by whether or not something is true, not by who is offended.

Exactly. Well said!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As Sam Harris has tirelessly pointed out for decades now, the good people in a religion can and often do provide cover for the bad. They make it so easy for people to point to them saying, "See, there is nothing wrong with the religion itself. It's blameless. The responsibility for the bad things some of its members do, falls entirely on them." But you know, you can make exactly the same argument about any ideology or movement. We don't like to think about it these days, but there were actually some good people in the Nazi Party. At least, there were people who were no worse than the rest of us. Yet, how wrong it would be to therefore conclude Nazism itself was a benign and blameless ideology!

I have not a moment's doubt that most Trump supporters are no worse than the rest of us. Does that mean I should be blind to Trumpism?

That is a GREAT comparison. A fine point that Harris made that isn't often enough considered, and an ideology here that has a center of wicked man who spews dangerous and deadly lies, who thanks the most radical of his supporters and proclaims his love of them to the world.
I just wonder if Harris would agree Trumpism is now the "motherlode of bad ideas"? This "million militia march," it calls into question the necessity of a [non-nuclear] preemptive strike in how Harris mentioned in regards to radical Muslims who have the Bomb and are aiming it our way.

 

[Audie]

What discrimination are we talking about, exactly?

I asked earlier in this thread and no one responded.

The OP is about the entertainment business. The entertainment business is a bit unique ... after all, there’s no business like show business, as they say.

Is anyone getting discriminated against outside the entertainment industry simply for attending a lawful political rally? I haven’t heard of this.

I have not either.
I forget the context of my comment
so I will leave it as a free standing pillar of wisdom.

 

[Audie]

That is a GREAT comparison. A fine point that Harris made that isn't often enough considered, and an ideology here that has a center of wicked man who spews dangerous and deadly lies, who thanks the most radical of his supporters and proclaims his love of them to the world.
I just wonder if Harris would agree Trumpism is now the "motherlode of bad ideas"? This "million militia march," it calls into question the necessity of a [non-nuclear] preemptive strike in how Harris mentioned in regards to radical Muslims who have the Bomb and are aiming it our way.

Everything that is "trumpism" is bad?

 

[Revoltingest]

Just like all Muslims are responsible for terrorism, because they don't speak out against it enough?

...I'm so confused by your morals. I was under the impression that it was a bad idea to paint all members of a group with the same brush as the worst of them.

What if anyone who went to a BLM or Antifa demonstration
were fired for participation? I don't think the same standard
would be applied by our friends here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Everything that is "trumpism" is bad?

The very core of it is rotten.

 

[Audie]

The very core of it is rotten.

Could you identify the core policies?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Could you identify the core policies?

The core is Trump himself and the venom he spews.

 

[Audie]

The core is Trump himself and the venom he spews.

So you don't know

And presumably feel that 70 million Americans
voted for venom.

Thats too bad.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you don't know

And presumably feel that 70 million Americans
voted for venom.

Thats too bad.

Polarization....each side hates the other, & cannot see any
good. Democrats are all bent on socialism, killing capitalism,
& big government. Republicans are all racists who want the
poor to die.
The only thing they both get right is believing that Libertarians
are useless loonies.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you don't know

Answering your question doesn't mean I don't know.
Trump told his followers to fight and stop Biden's win. And they did indeed try.

And presumably feel that 70 million Americans
voted for venom.

Thats too bad.

They voted for a terrible person, a horrible, nasty, awful person, with many of them giving him free passes and trying to pretend he doesn't mean what he says or he's not serious. He's a bully with very thin skin, and he showed he is serious, he does mean what he says, and he is willing to sink the ship when he doesn't get his way.