Paul said he was the "foremost of sinners", and according to Jeremiah 31:30, he was destined to die. "Everyone dies", and that included Paul and his listeners, and especially all followers of the "false prophets" of Matthew 7:13-15, of whom Paul is "foremost" among these.
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Put God on trial!
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Paul said he was the "foremost of sinners", and according to Jeremiah 31:30, he was destined to die. "Everyone dies", and that included Paul and his listeners, and especially all followers of the "false prophets" of Matthew 7:13-15, of whom Paul is "foremost" among these.
Wildswanderer
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Everyone dies physically and having that attitude about ourselves is a good thing. It shows humility.
But millions of people are still following Paul's writings and teaching. I really don't understand why you would claim he was a false prophet.
When you say "we" are going to the store this afternoon, you are not including your unborn great grandchildren. It is the same with Paul, he was referring to the time, generation, of the people he was speaking with. That in itself, despite his fraudulent, and self-serving message, is enough to disqualify him from dog catcher, much less, saying he speaks for God, of course unless he is speaking about the status of women, at which point it becomes his opinion. While as the "staff" "Favor", Paul, the shepherd taken to "pasture" the "flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7-10), he was following the path the Lord God had set up for him, and he was not speaking the Words of God, as being a prophet of God.
Wildswanderer
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What is your point?
Wildswanderer
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If you think that way you have to toss out everything Jesus said to because he didn't say it to people of this generation.
According to Revelation 19:10, the testimony of Yeshua was the Spirit of prophecy, in other words, the Word of God. The Word of God is timeless. Paul's message, the message of lawlessness, is the tare seed of the devil (Matthew 13:39-41), and at the "end of the age", the tares, will be gathered out and tossed into the furnace of fire. We are now at the end of the age.
My point is that Paul's message was antithetical to the Word of God (Jeremiah 31:30), and that the "we shall not all sleep"/die, is false. The "we", are all dead, and everyone will die. Some will have to drink from the cup of God's anger, and not die well (Revelation 14:10). The message of the serpent and that of Paul, is the same. "You surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). Yeshua's message was that even if you die, you shall live again. Two different messages. And who was "me", but the Word of God. You can believe in the Word of God, or you can believe in Paul, and his father the devil/serpent, the father of lies.
John 11:25 The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live.
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Wildswanderer
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It's the same message in different words.
Wildswanderer
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Apparently you don't believe in the second coming?
The coming of the son of man, "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-30), does not give the nations/Gentiles everlasting life. According to Revelation 20:4, it gives life to those in the grave who did not worship the beast or have the mark on their forehead. That would pretty much preclude most "Christians", those of the Gentile church, who worshipped the beast and his false prophets.
So, you are saying that the message of the serpent, the devil, is the same as message of Yeshua? I am afraid not. Those who "commit lawlessness", those who determine good from evil by their own twisted hearts, will be gathered and tossed into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:40-50).
Wildswanderer
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No Paul's message and Jesus message are the same.
Wildswanderer
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What religion are you anyway?
I was raised in a Catholic family, my school mates were mostly Protestants, and I pretty much condemn all religions as daughters of Babylon. That "stone", "millstone", mountain, city, church, Babylon, will be metaphorically tossed into the sea. (Revelation 18:21)
Wildswanderer
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So you just created your own?
I just took Yeshua's message and the actual Scriptures as stated. Both point out the role of Babylon and her daughters, and their relationship to the beast and the dragon. The false prophet's message that the law has been nailed to the cross, lawlessness, is simply the message of the devil (Matthew 13:39-42). The "many" embracing that message, are on a wide road to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). Their sandy foundation is crumbling as the clock ticks. (Matthew 7:27)
Wildswanderer
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Well I would not assume your one person religion was correct or that you alone interpreted Jesus correctly. That's a losing bet.
Apparently, there are a "few" more than one (Revelation 12:17) who are preserved from the dragon/devil, and "keep the Commandments of God, and hold to the testimony of Yeshua", and do not nail the law to the cross, as the devil's false prophet Paul would have you do.
Wildswanderer
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No one keeps the law. No one but Jesus ever did.
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The wonder and awe of "all things".
If you read what Paul wrote, it lines up with what Christ said in the gospel accounts. But that requires one to read all Paul wrote, getting some things that Paul takes chapters to say, and also read all Christ said in the gospels, and then you can find the correspondences, where Paul echoes Christ.