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Putin apologists.

pearl

Well-Known Member
There have been those who've openly defended Putin and his invasion, yet the only reasons I've been able to glean from what's been given has either been A.) Those harboring butthurt towards "the west" in general, or B.) MAGA cultists who, because Trump licked Putin's boots, feel obligated to follow suit out of loyalty.
Nothing actually substantiated or rational, unless I've missed or overlooked something?

And sometimes this defense is from where you would least expect it.

VATICAN CITY (RNS) — As Pope Francis continued attempts to mediate the conflict in Ukraine, former Vatican envoy and outspoken papal critic Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò released a letter Monday (March 7) blaming “deep state” forces in the United States, the European Union and NATO for triggering the current war and demonizing Russia.

“The United States of America and the European States must not marginalize Russia but build an alliance with it, not only to restart trade for the prosperity of all, but in lieu of the reconstruction of a Christian Civilization, which will be the only one able to save the world from the transhuman and medical-technical globalist monster,” the archbishop wrote in his nearly 10,000 word letter.

The archbishop said in his letter that Putin has been cornered by an aggressive NATO, backed by the United States, which is seeking to escalate the conflict for its own gains. “This is the trap for Russia just as much as Ukraine, using both to allow a globalist elite to bring its criminal plot to fruition,” Viganò wrote.


Viganò adopted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s justifications for attacking Ukraine, lamenting the lack of media coverage of supposed neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine that have allegedly attacked Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the autonomous eastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has ridiculed the idea that Nazism is behind the eight-year-old conflict in his country’s east, which Russia invaded in 2014.
Archbishop Viganò pushes conspiracy theories about Ukraine and Russia in 10,000-word letter | America Magazine
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I do not agree.
I think Americans have an innate Russophobia, regardless of Putin.
Which existed even by the time of the pro-American Yeltsin .
And which will exist even after Putin's death.
Do you believe Putin's claims that Nazis run Ukraine,
& are exterminating Russian speakers?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes. Many Italian reporters went there and took all the documentation. All the evidence. So I do believe because I watched countless evidence.
What were your sources?

I wonder about this because my friend who is
heading to Ukraine to fight Russians knows a
gal there who is a Russian speaker.
Her only complaint is that wages are low.
No extermination of Russians....no pogrom...
...no genocide. It was peaceful til the invasion.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What were your sources?

I wonder about this because my friend who is
heading to Ukraine to fight Russians knows a
gal there who is a Russian speaker.
Her only complaint is that wages are low.
No extermination of Russians....no pogrom...
...no genocide. It was peaceful til the invasion.

Only in Donbas they are harassed and persecuted.
It is in Italian.
Because any English source has been deleted by His Sorosian majesty.

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Only in Donbas they are harassed and persecuted.
It is in Italian.
Because any English source has been deleted by His Sorosian majesty.

Russia is invading all of Ukraine.
I advise against trusting Russian & Italian news.
The former is highly controlled by the government.
And the latter is biased because of the Italians'
love for Putin.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why do they do that?
You're Italian...you're the one who told me you
guys love Putin & Russia. So I discount any news
from Russia & its allies, eg, Belarus, Italy.

Italy should leave NATO if they support the Russian
invasions of other countries. Other NATO members
wouldn't be able to trust Italy for assistance if Russia
invaded them. Italy might even side with Russia, &
support more invasions, given Putin's influence there.
A country that sided with Hitler, & now Putin is a country
to be wary of.

In the news....
Putin Hails Economic Relationship with Italy in Controversial CEO Meeting - The Moscow Times
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You're Italian...you're the one who told me you
guys love Putin & Russia. So I discount any news
from Russia & its allies, eg, Belarus, Italy.

Italy should leave NATO if they support the Russian
invasions of other countries. Other NATO members
wouldn't be able to trust Italy for assistance if Russia
invaded them. Italy might even side with Russia, &
support more invasions, given Putin's influence there.

Or Italy could leave the NATO for considering unacceptable that the US, after Nine Eleven sided with Saudi Arabia.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Or Italy could leave the NATO for considering unacceptable that the US, after Nine Eleven sided with Saudi Arabia.
It seems that Italy has many reasons to leave NATO.
Why would it ever join or remain?
Forced to join by USA or Soros?
It would make sense for such a weak country that
needs Russian financial aid & trade to align with
Russia formally, & not pretend to support NATO
neighbors. Italy is more like Cuba than a European
country.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It seems that Italy has many reasons to leave NATO.
Why would it ever join or remain?
Forced to join by USA or Soros?
It would make sense for such a weak country that
needs Russian financial aid & trade to align with
Russia formally, & not pretend to support NATO
neighbors. Italy is more like Cuba than a European
country.

If Italy becomes Russian, the Mediterranean becomes a Russian lake.
I am already picturing the scene...bold courageous Russians taking possession of any Mediterranean island.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If Italy becomes Russian, the Mediterranean becomes a Russian lake.
I am already picturing the scenes...bold courageous Russians taking possession of any Mediterranean island.
You'd be living the dream.
However, other countries on the Mediterranean
would resist Russia claiming that sea & its islands
as its own. It would portend more war.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You'd be living the dream.
However, other countries on the Mediterranean
would resist Russia claiming that sea & its islands
as its own. It would portend more war.

That is the point.
We are over the notion of war.
War is anachronistic...
If it were up to me, I will dismiss all armies.
Why can't US and Russia be allies?
 
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