This what USA support unfortunately.
Check this Telegram link of Israel crimes
Babies are in pieces. And civilian execution
جرائم اسرائيل Israel's crimes
قناة مخصصة لفضح جرائم الحرب الإسرائيلية في غزة خلال العدوان الجاري أكتوبر 2023
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Putin open to peace talks
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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Check this Telegram link of Israel crimes
Babies are in pieces. And civilian execution
stvdv
Veteran Member
Putin is smart, flattering Trump
He used just the pefect words
Well done Putin, congrats
Altfish
Veteran Member
Peace - Yes
Putin Open to Trump Talks on Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal
Russian President Vladimir Putin has congratulated Donald Trump on his victory in the US election and says he’s ready to hold discussions with the new American leader who's pledged to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, speaking in...www.bloomberg.com
I am very sorry for the warmongers, but Europeans deserve peace.
The thirst for war can be cured in a psychiatrist's practice.
With a good professional.
Peace will triumph after almost 3 years of tensions, refugees coming to EU, death.
Appeasement - NO
There are warmongering élites coming from certain milieus overseas that sow hatred between Arab nations and Israel.A racist regime want peace!!
Whatever the leaders don't want peace.
They want kick Palestinians from their land. They consider it the promise land.
Language on ground now is want blood.
Telegram links show crimes of Israel.
Babies are in pieces.
جرائم اسرائيل Israel's crimes
قناة مخصصة لفضح جرائم الحرب الإسرائيلية في غزة خلال العدوان الجاري أكتوبر 2023t.me
It's very complex, I believe.
When we Italians made peace with the Allies, we appeased many many requests.
No double standards, dear sir.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Italy was liberated by the Allies whilst Italians were fighting each other.
What appeasements did Italy make at the Treaty of Paris that wer unjust?
Italians were not fighting each other.
It was the king himself who had Mussolini arrested, while Americans were occupying Southern Italy.
In Northern Italy there were the partisans fighting against the Nazis and helping Americans...
and then there were the Fascist collaborationists.
I think they were fair.
That was my point.
Renouncing four regions is a fair concession for Ukraine.
Altfish
Veteran Member
No, the aggressors - ie the Nazis were given the terms.
Similarly Russia, as the aggressor, should give all the land back and then discussions can start.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
The Germans rescued Mussolini who then fought on as the National Republican Army against other Italians.
My point is the Italians were not in a position to negotiate.
If that was the only ask from Putin then I would agree.
Kiev started it, by waging a war on the Donbas separatists.
Violating the people's right to self-determination.
The only request. Yes.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
So Ukraine remains soveriegn, and can join NATO if it so desires?
Yes, gradually.
I guess it should join the EU first.
The EU can fix the country, then the NATO can be the next step.
Only for those bowing down to oppression or lacking courage to confront tyrants perhaps.
I bet you are more than 70 years old.Only for those bowing down to oppression or lacking courage to confront tyrants perhaps.
I mean...you must be from that generation born back when Britain owned the entire world...
thinking that a piece of land is worth the life of thousands of soldiers.
Altfish
Veteran Member
So, it would be ok to wage a war on Spain over Gibraltar and the Basque Region
Ok for war on the UK on Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
Italy with the Friulians or Lombards. or Pandanian movement, what about Sicily
One could go on, it is not a reason for invasion.
Altfish
Veteran Member
A bit like Italy 1500 years earlier.I bet you are more than 70 years old.
I mean...you must be from that generation born back when Britain owned the entire world...
thinking that a piece of land is worth the life of thousands of soldiers.
Spain is a EU member state, so it cannot use warlike means to solve independentism and territorial controversies.
And we know many of them in Spain. Catalonia, Baque region, indeed.
The problem with Ukraine is that it is not a EU member state. Yet.
So it uses warlike means to solve them.
As for Britain, nothing to say.
But as for Northern Ireland...well... let's not go there, please.
Again. Italy has never used warlike means to solve independentism.
We have evolved from the warlike stage.
Yes, and that was wrong.
Geez, you are desperate. I still have a working brain despite my age, and I am no more a supporter of imperialism that I am of monarchy. Perhaps I just recognise naked territorial ambitions and aggression where you seemingly won't. That is, that despite how the USSR was dissolved, all the countries that gained their independence deserved the right to self-determination no matter how Russia perceived such. Their right to swing more to Western values if so choosing, and in no way has Russia the right to interfere in such.I bet you are more than 70 years old.
I mean...you must be from that generation born back when Britain owned the entire world...
thinking that a piece of land is worth the life of thousands of soldiers.
But then so many Russians have their pride hurt when others turn away from them. Well now why would that be? Duh! So what does Russia to offer other countries - apart from the oppression, the censorship, the nasty murdering of opposition figures or those who displease Moscow, and not showing any commitment to progress but rather using the silly ones who might gain from being an ally of Russia - until it just doesn't.
Russia has done exactly the opposite of making itself attractive to all bordering countries - so Putin hardly being smart in any way - and the same old strength through brutality - which essentially is the face of Russia and always has been. The Russian people must be loving this - if they had the means to express themselves of course, but where Putin's censorship hardly allows such.