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Putin prefers Biden

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Because, "If" that's what it's for, Putin/Russia has had the past 2 years of opportunity to feel threatened. Over a hundred billion dollars of our money, Abrams M1 tanks, F-16 fighters, anti-tank missiles, HIMAR missiles, hundreds of thousands of rounds of 155mm artillery shells, etc. over the past 2 years has clearly not worked. More of the same will be no different.

Do you think it would have been a different two years without that aid? You think Putin really prefers Biden, even with "Over a hundred billion dollars of our money, Abrams M1 tanks, F-16 fighters, anti-tank missiles, HIMAR missiles, hundreds of thousands of rounds of 155mm artillery shells, etc"?
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Because, "If" that's what it's for, Putin/Russia has had the past 2 years of opportunity to feel threatened. Over a hundred billion dollars of our money, Abrams M1 tanks, F-16 fighters, anti-tank missiles, HIMAR missiles, hundreds of thousands of rounds of 155mm artillery shells, etc. over the past 2 years has clearly not worked. More of the same will be no different.
So give Putin the Green light to invade and that will terrify him?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Believe his actions.
Putin doesn't invade Ukraine while Trump is president, but does when Biden is.
Since when does the will of the American people get blamed for what an autocrat who is immoral and anti-democratic does in his unfree nation?
Is it any surprise Putin would want Biden to stay on as president at this point?
He is unstable, much like Trump.

Because, "If" that's what it's for, Putin/Russia has had the past 2 years of opportunity to feel threatened. Over a hundred billion dollars of our money, Abrams M1 tanks, F-16 fighters, anti-tank missiles, HIMAR missiles, hundreds of thousands of rounds of 155mm artillery shells, etc. over the past 2 years has clearly not worked. More of the same will be no different.
Much of what the USA sends to Ukraine is equipment that was to be decommissioned. And since when does the failure of Russia to take Kiev, and their falure to defeat Ukraine in two years, seen as not working?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Russian President says he thinks President Biden being re-elected would be better for Russian than Donald Trump.

FTA: "Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday Joe Biden would be better for Russia as president than Donald Trump, ahead of a potential rematch between the two in this year’s U.S. election."

Putin says Biden would be better for Russia as president than Trump
This cheer leading by Putin, for Biden, makes complete sense. Putin was able to invade and occupy Crimea under Obama/Biden, and then invade Ukraine under Biden/Harris, without any serious US opposition beyond "diplomatic harsh words". Putin must have been scared of that harsh diplomatic language with no military teeth. Putin knew that was for show; wink wink!

Putin, on the other hand, was a good boy during Trump. Trump built up the military, against very strong DNC obstruction; Pelosi and Schumer, after eight years of Obama letting the military go into disrepair. Trump was not a career politician, like the entire DNC, you could bribe or buy. He was a billionaire and more like a wild card Oligarch, now President, who was not as predictable as all the career politicians like Biden; quid pro quo Joe.

The Fake News Propaganda wing of the DNC; CNN, MSN, all of the FBI invaded social media at the time, and now the Kangaroo Courts of the DNC, headed by the "Big Guy" or Biden, may make Putin feel right at home. This is Russian too. The open border has been another blessing for Russian and China immigration of key military and spy operatives dresses as the huddled masses. The suspicious death of Epstein, is similar to the recent assassination of dangerous Putin opposition in Russia. The sell out is almost complete. Freedom of information cannot get the list of the DNC Epstei, John's, that hundreds of victim witnesses, fingered, during Grand Jury testimony. Putin must be proud of the obstruction.

This tells me, what I had always suspected, Putin and the DNC more than likely conspired to run the Russian Collusion Coup, as a way to deal with the Trump wild card, that had beat Conrad Hillary Clinton; reset Hillary. The fake dossier was written about Trump exploits in Moscow with prostitutes? Putin and the DNC needed to get back to business as usual, so Putin could invade Ukraine after 2020 or sooner, with no strong Trump opposition by the US. The DNC still pushes Socialism, in the image of the USSR; United Soviet Socialist Republic. This is where Putin wishes Russia to go, again. Those were the good ole days.

The Russian Collusion Coup was a wild card play, against the Trump wild card, with Putin's corrupt swamp allies shielded from any accountability even for treason. This was not democracy but a swamp dictator state. Trump was put on the constant defensive, having to use his ingenuity to defend against soviet style media control disinformation, while also running the country.

Putin may need one more term of Biden and the DNC since the Soviet clone state is not finished. This last Ukrainian money is getting much harder to come by. The DNC will not put the USA first and seal the border. Putin needs more spies inside the USA. The next term should mean Ukraine is ready to fall, as the USA and NATO tire of the war and suspend funding. Trump winning would again be an unknown wild card, that would reverse Putins objectives in the USA. Trump is not as predictable as Putin's comrades in the DNC; Denial Negates Corruption.

The Left is not good at math. The math add up to Biden and Putin based on how Biden has accommodated and even mirrored Putin, based on historical facts and not just unsubstantiated propaganda suspicions. The Left is trying to spin this so the math does not add up to the facts, but to the propaganda disinformation; liberals arts and their predictable science fiction.
 
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Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
This cheer leading by Putin, for Biden, makes complete sense. Putin was able to invade and occupy Crimea under Obama/Biden, and then invade Ukraine under Biden/Harris, without any serious US opposition beyond "diplomatic harsh words". Putin must have been scared of that harsh diplomatic language with no military teeth. Putin knew that was for show; wink wink!

Putin, on the other hand, was a good boy during Trump. Trump built up the military, against very strong DNC obstruction; Pelosi and Schumer, after eight years of Obama letting the military go into disrepair. Trump was not a career politician, like the entire DNC, you could bribe or buy. He was a billionaire and more like a wild card Oligarch, now President, who was not as predictable as all the career politicians like Biden; quid pro quo Joe.

The Fake News Propaganda wing of the DNC; CNN, MSN, all of the FBI invaded social media at the time, and now the Kangaroo Courts of the DNC, headed by the "Big Guy" or Biden, may make Putin feel right at home. This is Russian too. The open border has been another blessing for Russian and China immigration of key military and spy operatives dresses as the huddled masses. The suspicious death of Epstein, is similar to the recent assassination of dangerous Putin opposition in Russia. The sell out is almost complete. Freedom of information cannot get the list of the DNC Epstei, John's, that hundreds of victim witnesses, fingered, during Grand Jury testimony. Putin must be proud of the obstruction.

This tells me, what I had always suspected, Putin and the DNC more than likely conspired to run the Russian Collusion Coup, as a way to deal with the Trump wild card, that had beat Conrad Hillary Clinton; reset Hillary. The fake dossier was written about Trump exploits in Moscow with prostitutes? Putin and the DNC needed to get back to business as usual, so Putin could invade Ukraine after 2020 or sooner, with no strong Trump opposition by the US. The DNC still pushes Socialism, in the image of the USSR; United Soviet Socialist Republic. This is where Putin wishes Russia to go, again. Those were the good ole days.

The Russian Collusion Coup was a wild card play, against the Trump wild card, with Putin's corrupt swamp allies shielded from any accountability even for treason. This was not democracy but a swamp dictator state. Trump was put on the constant defensive, having to use his ingenuity to defend against soviet style media control disinformation, while also running the country.

Putin may need one more term of Biden and the DNC since the Soviet clone state is not finished. This last Ukrainian money is getting much harder to come by. The DNC will not put the USA first and seal the border. Putin needs more spies inside the USA. The next term should mean Ukraine is ready to fall, as the USA and NATO tire of the war and suspend funding. Trump winning would again be an unknown wild card, that would reverse Putins objectives in the USA. Trump is not as predictable as Putin's comrades in the DNC; Denial Negates Corruption.

The Left is not good at math. The math add up to Biden and Putin based on how Biden has accommodated and even mirrored Putin, based on historical facts and not just unsubstantiated propaganda suspicions. The Left is trying to spin this so the math does not add up to the facts, but to the propaganda disinformation; liberals arts and their predictable science fiction.
This is old information and the politics of the us has completely changed. Yes, in the past it was the democrats who were soft on Russia and military. But Trump and the new republican party is completely different. You would never have seen a previous republican court dictators the way that Trump has. Republicans in the past were always supportive of Nato. Now you a new nationalism of USA only. Trump has always been of the position of withdrawing American troops from the world. He does not like the NATO leaders and it is clear from his actions. The traditional republicans that were strong against Russia are not backing Trump. Trump is saying dangerous things publicly that will lead to instability. The most obvious clue that Putin would prefer Trump came from the Tucker Carson interview. When Putin says he prefers Biden it means the opposite unless you think that when Putin says he is a good Christian that he is? The DNC has been wrong about the border, but they are not wrong about Ukraine, Russia and Nato. It is the new Trump influenced republicans that are turning against democracy and freedom. It is not the same republican party.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
This cheer leading by Putin, for Biden, makes complete sense. Putin was able to invade and occupy Crimea under Obama/Biden, and then invade Ukraine under Biden/Harris, without any serious US opposition beyond "diplomatic harsh words". Putin must have been scared of that harsh diplomatic language with no military teeth. Putin knew that was for show; wink wink!

Putin, on the other hand, was a good boy during Trump. Trump built up the military, against very strong DNC obstruction; Pelosi and Schumer, after eight years of Obama letting the military go into disrepair.

Doesn't this undermine the narrative of Trump not being a warmonger unlike those Democrats? I get that one can build up defenses without being a warmonger, but why would those "warmongering democrats" have no teeth or let the military go into disrepair?

That aside, it still doesn't account for the pretty clear issue of who is militarily supporting Ukraine and NATO vs who is not.

Trump was not a career politician, like the entire DNC, you could bribe or buy. He was a billionaire and more like a wild card Oligarch, now President, who was not as predictable as all the career politicians like Biden; quid pro quo Joe.

Right...as if Trump's family didn't ridiculously benefit financially during his Presidency.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Do you think it would have been a different two years without that aid? You think Putin really prefers Biden, even with "Over a hundred billion dollars of our money, Abrams M1 tanks, F-16 fighters, anti-tank missiles, HIMAR missiles, hundreds of thousands of rounds of 155mm artillery shells, etc"?
Yes, because biden has been ineffective. All that money and hardware at our expense, and has Ukraine won? Or are we being told to fork over that much money once (or twice) again?
Plus, biden gets to use it as a political tool. Whenever Republicans resist giving more money/weapons to Ukraine, biden exploits that for political points.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Yes, because biden has been ineffective. All that money and hardware at our expense, and has Ukraine won? Or are we being told to fork over that much money once (or twice) again?
Plus, biden gets to use it as a political tool. Whenever Republicans resist giving more money/weapons to Ukraine, biden exploits that for political points.

Without all that money and hardware, do you think Ukraine would still be holding on? If I recall, Putin expected to win in 10 days. All that money and hardware has been helping to sustain Ukraine. Remember, they are defending themselves, not seeking to win. Winning is outlasting Russia. Do you think Putin is happy about the war lasting this long? I can't imagine he is looking at Biden (supporting NATO and Ukraine) and Trump (who is not supporting NATO and Ukraine) and thinking, "Yeah, I'll take Biden."
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
I'll answer a non-strawman when you manage to come up with something legit.
Trump respects dictators because of the power and control they have. That is legit and correct. It is expressed in his actions and words. To ignore it does not make it go away. What you will not hear from trump is praise for democratic leaders.

Just some examples of Trumps own words and one from Putin.

“Kim Jong Un has been, really, somebody that I’ve gotten to know very well and respect, and hopefully – and I really believe that, over a period of time, a lot of tremendous things will happen.” April 11, 2019
"[Kim] wrote me beautiful letters and they’re great letters. We fell in love.” September 2018

“I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing…” March 2018

“So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!” July 2018

* “And I like President Xi a lot. I consider him a friend, and – but I like him a lot. I’ve gotten to know him very well. He’s a strong gentleman, right? Anybody that – he’s a strong guy, tough guy.” June 2019

Shortly after Trump first accepted the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in July 2016, he was endorsed by Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s right-wing nationalist prime minister.

“In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want"

It's funny, the relationships I have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better I get along with them. You'll explain that to me someday, ok? But maybe it's not a bad thing. The easy ones I maybe don't like as much or don't get along with as much."

“Mr Trump says he will resolve all burning issues within several days, including the Ukrainian crisis,” Putin said at an economic forum in Russia recently. “We cannot help but feel happy about it.”
 
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