Putin said he supports Harris in the 2024 election.

[GoodAttention]

The only people who benefit from the NATO presence in Italy are girls...trust me.
Because American soldiers, muscular and fit soldiers, live in those Navy Stations, US bases or NATO bases.

As long as NATO keeps the airspace over Milan free and open for travel, there are others who also benefit

I can't catch the causal link... really. Between prices and NATO.

Reference to the financial aid given by the US years ago (colony), not so much the multinational voluntary military alliance (NATO).

20 euros for a cappuccino is a heist.

Yes, but this would have been the reality of Italy without US aid after WW2.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

To me a Gazan life is as valuable as an Ukrainian life.

And yet, you will not demand Russians to stop killing Ukrainians.

 

[Father Heathen]

I remind you that Russia was allied to the Americans.

And?

I remind you that it was Russians who took Berlin, not Americans.

Therefore?

I remind you that then Americans, instead of being grateful to the Russians, became their enemies.
Until today.

Perhaps it was then Russians, instead of being grateful to The Americans, became their enemies.

 

[Estro Felino]

As long as NATO keeps the airspace over Milan free and open for travel, there are others who also benefit

Is that a threat, dear sir?

Reference to the financial aid given by the US years ago (colony), not so much the multinational voluntary military alliance (NATO).

It was the least.
Europe needed to be rebuilt after the war.
I remind you that it's the Americans who crossed the Atlantic, not the other way around.
And by the way... 80 years of blind loyalty to the USA...but it's enough, now.
The loyalty will continue, but with reason.

Yes, but this would have been the reality of Italy without US aid after WW2.

That's absolutely not true. The euro system has nothing to do with the USA.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Zelenskii doesn't want to save lives. He wants to keep fighting to obey the American warmongers...

Zelenski is BEGGING the americans for military support and is only receiving a fraction of what he actually wants to have in aid.
Nobody is issuing him any orders.

who pay him.

Evidence?
You don't have any, off course. This is just more baseless nonsense which you either make up on the spot, or read on some conspiracy junk online.

And so many Ukrainians will die.

Killed by Russians.

Do you care about them?

Yes, very much. Which is why I support to help them defending themselves against Russian bullets and bombs.

Or are you disposed to sacrifice them because all that you want is to see Putin defeated?

No. I am disposed to help them as much as possible so that as little as possible Ukrainians die from Russian bullets and bombs.

You hate the tsar so much that Ukrainian lives are disposable?

The only lives here that are seen as disposable, are Russian lives who are considered disposable by the Kremlin.

 

[Estro Felino]

Perhaps it was then Russians, instead of being grateful to The Americans, became their enemies.

That's not true. I speak to Russians all the time...and they told me that it was the Americans that deemed Russia as the enemy because it was spreading the poison called Socialism.
And Americans repel Socialism.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am suggesting that the Nazis are the Ukrainians in this case.
The bad guys.

Delusional.

So the bad guys must surrender to the good guys. The Russians.

Yeah... the "good" guys. Those who invade another country because they don't bow to their will, who massacre entire villages, bomb hospitals, nurseries, schools, playgrounds and use nuclear power stations as munition depots. Yeah, nothing "wrong" there.

 

[Estro Felino]

And yet, you will not demand Russians to stop killing Ukrainians.

Russians just want those 4 regions plus Crimea.
It's a good deal.

 

[Estro Felino]

Delusional.

Yes, sure.
Ukrainians = Nazis The Western Media Is Whitewashing the Azov Battalion

Yeah... the "good" guys. Those who invade another country because they don't bow to their will, who massacre entire villages, bomb hospitals, nurseries, schools, playgrounds and use nuclear power stations as munition depots. Yeah, nothing "wrong" there.

The Nazi regime of Kiev started it by discriminating against Pro-Russian peoples, and Russian-speaking people.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I remind you that Russia was allied to the Americans.
I remind you that it was Russians who took Berlin, not Americans.

I remind you that then Americans, instead of being grateful to the Russians, became their enemies.
Until today.

Yea, sure, let's have another round of revisionist history, shall we?

Russia and the US were enemies ever since 1917. And it only became worse and worse after that.
The alliance to defeat nazi's was not an alliance of friendship. It was an alliance of necessity.
Both sides pretty much considered it a temporary pact with the devil to defeat and even bigger devil.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yea, sure, let's have another round of revisionist history, shall we?

Russia and the US were enemies ever since 1917. And it only became worse and worse after that.
The alliance to defeat nazi's was not an alliance of friendship. It was an alliance of necessity.
Both sides pretty much considered it a temporary pact with the devil to defeat and even bigger devil.

By saying 1917 you admitted that Americans repel Socialism and Communism and still hate Russia because it spreads this poison.

Merci Beaucoup.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

...no matter how many Ukrainian soldiers die in the meantime?

Off course it matters. This is why supplying aid is important. To minimize the amount of Ukrainians that invading Russians succeed in killing.
Preferably to zero.

Are those 4 pieces of land worth the life of hundreds of thousands of soldiers?

Why do you keep pretending it is just about those 4 pieces of land?
The objective of Russia was to take the entire country. There is no reason to think that isn't the goal anymore.
The only reason they now pretend it to be only about those regions, is to save face... They believed they were gonna take the entire country in a matter of days, weeks at most. Instead, they got humiliated in their attempt to do so and pushed back.

Having said that... there is no reason why a country should try and defend every inch of their land.

 

[GoodAttention]

Is that a threat, dear sir?

That would be a red line NATO dare not cross.

It was the least.
Europe needed to be rebuilt after the war.
I remind you that it's the Americans who crossed the Atlantic, not the other way around.
And by the way... 80 years of blind loyalty to the USA...but it's enough, now.

The Russians also say Друг познаётся в беде́

That's absolutely not true. The euro system has nothing to do with the USA.

I meant immediately after the war, since the Eurozone and financial system came decades later, and as a direct or indirect result of the Marshall Plan.

 

[Estro Felino]

Off course it matters. This is why supplying aid is important. To minimize the amount of Ukrainians that invading Russians succeed in killing.
Preferably to zero.

If you believe Italy will send military aid indefinitely...you believe in fairy tales.

Why do you keep pretending it is just about those 4 pieces of land?

Putin said it.
If Putin signed the treaty of peace...that includes those 4 pieces of land of only, would you accept?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Russians just want those 4 regions plus Crimea.
It's a good deal.

No, they want Ukraine in full.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

By saying 1917 you admitted that Americans repel Socialism and Communism and still hate Russia because it spreads this poison.

Merci Beaucoup.

Yes, communism is bad news.
But let's not deflect again.

Your statement in the post I was responding to, where you pretended they were allies and US became enemies after WW2, is blatantly wrong.
By the time WW2 started, they already were enemies for decades.


Let's also not forget that the Soviets only joined the allied forces against Nazi's once nazi's attacked Russia.
They were very fine with them before that point.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

...no matter how many Ukrainian soldiers die in the meantime?

Are those 4 pieces of land worth the life of hundreds of thousands of soldiers?

Yes, Russia certainly thinks so and they don't seem to care at all how many Ukrainians die.
In fact, they don't seem to care how many Russians die either.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's not true. I speak to Russians all the time...and they told me that it was the Americans that deemed Russia as the enemy because it was spreading the poison called Socialism.
And Americans repel Socialism.

I speak to americans all the time and they tell me that it was the Russians that deemed USA the enemy because it was spreading the poison of democracy. And Russians repel democracy.


Such anecdotes are worthless.
And it matters not, since Russia and the democratic west were enemies LONG before Nazi's came into the picture.
And again: let's not forget that Russia was very fine with Nazi's and in fact had no problems at all to sign treaties with them. It's only when Nazi's attacked Russia that they had a problem with it and (reluctantly) joined the allied forces.

 

[Estro Felino]

I speak to americans all the time and they tell me that it was the Russians that deemed USA the enemy because it was spreading the poison of democracy. And Russians repel democracy.

But...accidentally...after WW2 Russians loved Italy (a democracy) and the Italian Communist Party was the most important Communist Party in Europe. Funded by Moscow.
Your narrative is unhistorical.

Such anecdotes are worthless.
And it matters not, since Russia and the democratic west were enemies LONG before Nazi's came into the picture.
And again: let's not forget that Russia was very fine with Nazi's and in fact had no problems at all to sign treaties with them. It's only when Nazi's attacked Russia that they had a problem with it and (reluctantly) joined the allied forces.

I would admire you immensely for your transparency and honesty if you admitted that it's just a war of the West against Russia.
And Ukrainians are just worthless cannon fodder in the eyes of those élites infesting the building of the EU institutions.
I would call you my personal hero.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, communism is bad news.
But let's not deflect again.

Well...for a Belgian...yes.
Belgium = bankingland.
That's what we think of Belgium over here...
Banksters...technocrats...

Your statement in the post I was responding to, where you pretended they were allies and US became enemies after WW2, is blatantly wrong.
By the time WW2 started, they already were enemies for decades.


Let's also not forget that the Soviets only joined the allied forces against Nazi's once nazi's attacked Russia.
They were very fine with them before that point.

Yes, the Nazis betrayed Russians.