Putin said he supports Harris in the 2024 election.

[Estro Felino]

No, they want Ukraine in full.

That's not true.
Putin has clearly said the terms of peace.
He doesn't want the rest of Ukraine.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If you believe Italy will send military aid indefinitely...you believe in fairy tales.

Did I say that?
For the time being they are sending aid in any case, and there is no talk of stopping to do so. No matter your wet dreams.

Putin said it.

Putin also said he wouldn't invade.
Putin is a liar.

If Putin signed the treaty of peace...that includes those 4 pieces of land of only, would you accept?

I doubt Ukraine would just give up parts of their country. And I wouldn't trust Putin on his word about anything.

But it's not upto me to "accept" anything. That's upto Ukraine. They are the invaded here. They are the victim.
Upto Ukrainians to decide what they find acceptable.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But...accidentally...after WW2 Russians loved Italy (a democracy) and the Italian Communist Party was the most important Communist Party in Europe. Funded by Moscow.
Your narrative is unhistorical.

Your statement has no relevance to what you are responding to. This isn't about Italy.

I would admire you immensely for your transparency and honesty if you admitted that it's just a war of the West against Russia.

It is a war against "the west" - or the concept thereof in any case. A war, started by Russia.

And Ukrainians are just worthless cannon fodder in the eyes of those élites infesting the building of the EU institutions.

No. Ukrainians are the victims and they don't want to just roll over and die. You keep getting this wrong.
Ukraine is the demanding party here for military aid. Nobody is pushing them.
Ukraine is asking for aid - and we aren't even giving them a fraction of what they are asking for.

I would call you my personal hero.

I'ld have to do some serious reflection if someone like you consider me to be your hero.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well...for a Belgian...yes.

No, for everybody.
In every country where communism shows its ugly face, misery and despair follows.

Belgium = bankingland.
That's what we think of Belgium over here...
Banksters...technocrats...

No, that's what YOU think.

Yes, the Nazis betrayed Russians.

Decent people couldn't be betrayed by Nazi's because they would have never allied themselves with them in the first place.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's not true.

It is. That was the goal of their invasion. That's why they entered through Belarus in the direction of Kiev.
They publicly just changed their narrative to save face after seeing their attacks repelled in quite humiliating fashion.
There is no reason to think why their original goals aren't still on their minds.

Putin has clearly said the terms of peace.

Putin also said he wasn't going to invade.
Putin lies.

He doesn't want the rest of Ukraine.

You should really stop drinking the Russian koolaid

 

[Estro Felino]

It is. That was the goal of their invasion. That's why they entered through Belarus in the direction of Kiev.
They publicly just changed their narrative to save face after seeing their attacks repelled in quite humiliating fashion.
There is no reason to think why their original goals aren't still on their minds.

So you admit it.
Ukraine with the military aid of the West succeeded in preventing Putin from conquering the whole country.
So Ukraine has won.

And Putin for the armistice just asks for 4 regions in return.
It's a deal.

Those dems who live beyond the Atlantic just want this war to continue for eternity, even after you and I are dead.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So you admit it.
Ukraine with the military aid of the West succeeded in preventing Putin from conquering the whole country.
So Ukraine has won.

And Putin for the armistice just asks for 4 regions in return.
It's a deal.

Those demons who live beyond the Atlantic just want this war to continue for eternity, even after you and I are dead.

I don't know what post you were reading, but I "admitted" nothing of the sort.

 

[Father Heathen]

That's not true. I speak to Russians all the time...and they told me that it was the Americans that deemed Russia as the enemy because it was spreading the poison called Socialism.
And Americans repel Socialism.

Russia stopped being communist in 1991. The U.S. has allies who are further left than present day Russia.

Stop lying about Americans to Americans, who will obviously know when you're making **** up.

 

[Estro Felino]

Russia stopped being communist in 1991. The U.S. has allies who are further left than present day Russia.

Stop lying about Americans to Americans, who will obviously know when you're making **** up.

I just express what I see about the United States.

 

[Father Heathen]

So you admit it.
Ukraine with the military aid of the West succeeded in preventing Putin from conquering the whole country.
So Ukraine has won.

And Putin for the armistice just asks for 4 regions in return.
It's a deal.

Those dems who live beyond the Atlantic just want this war to continue for eternity, even after you and I are dead.

Do thieves and robbers in Italy get to keep what they steal?

 

[Estro Felino]

Do thieves and robbers in Italy get to keep what they steal?

No...we don't even have the second amendment...so criminals are mostly unarmed.

 

[F1fan]

I remind you that Russia was allied to the Americans.

Due to a common enermy. There was already a conflict between the political frameworks, and that blew up after the war ended. Look up the Berlin Airlift.

I remind you that it was Russians who took Berlin, not Americans.

Stalin wanted Berlin and the rest of the allies let them have it. That saved many British and American lives.

I remind you that then Americans, instead of being grateful to the Russians, became their enemies.
Until today.

Stalin was paranoid, and wasn't trusted by the rest of the Allies. It was a relationship of necessity. After the war the cooperation ended and the old War slowly developed. It was political disputes that could not be resolved. But give the Soviets credit for allowing the British, Americans, and French to hold onto west Berlin until the Wall fell. After Communism failed the relations got better, even to the point that tere was open trade and travel. As we know putin destroyed all progress in the last decade because he wanted Ukraine. He's even a war criminal.

 

[Estro Felino]

Due to a common enermy. There was already a conflict between the political frameworks, and that blew up after the war ended. Look up the Berlin Airlift.

Stalin wanted Berlin and the rest of the allies let them have it. That saved many British and American lives.

Stalin was paranoid, and wasn't trusted by the rest of the Allies. It was a relationship of necessity. After the war the cooperation ended and the old War slowly developed. It was political disputes that could not be resolved. But give the Soviets credit for allowing the British, Americans, and French to hold onto west Berlin until the Wall fell. After Communism failed the relations got better, even to the point that tere was open trade and travel. As we know putin destroyed all progress in the last decade because he wanted Ukraine. He's even a war criminal.

I also remind you that after WW2, Germans and Italians, former "bad guys" worked for a peaceful Europe. And since then they have become among the most pacifist countries in the world.
And I also remind you that Italy has always favored the alliance between Soviet Russia and America, and also had the most important Communist Party in the West, Partito Comunista Italiano, PCI.

So it is the USA who have been sowed discord and war throughout 80 years.

 

[wellwisher]

Putin, among other things, is a smart guy. I also think he knows most Americans will see through this transparent ploy, but my guess is he's engaging in it because it very likely will still sow some political division and chaos. That some people take it seriously shows he knows what he's doing when he does this.

When the DNC was running the Russian Collusion Coup, Putin did not formally take a side. It left that for the DNC propaganda team, as a way to drive a wedge between two halves of the country. He neither denied or confirmed; double agent. I would assume he was already thinking Ukraine, after getting Crimea under Obama, and may have hoped for Clinton, but he got Trump and now hoped that either Trump would be too preoccupied with legal challenges or too damage making it easier. But Trump was able to walk and chew bubble gum at the same time, and was still working his job, made a line in the sand, and made it hard for Putin to move.

In 2020, the DNC had to employ Kremlin and Pravda censorship tactics to avoid the truth of the Biden family Influence peddling business. The Russian tactic was used again. This helped the DNC to gain power, and now with his allies in power, he could move into Ukraine, knowing the USA would not do anything. It would up to NATO, who would be afraid to get too deep, since many were too dependent on Russian oil and gas. Ukraine did not surrender, but stood its ground and made the invasion stall and linger. This became a liability.

Now I believe, the instability that has been created, regionally and in Russia, is having a negative impact on Putin. So now he is being honest, to undermine the DNC henchmen running the scams, labeled Russian Interference that make it appear like Putin is at fault for his henchmen. I think he prefers Trump, not so much for an ally, but to reverse the trend that is making Putin more vulnerable; globalism, Green Energy and NATO expansion caused by the DNC, in their get Trump hysteria.

The analogy is you hire thugs, to push people around, to stabilize your holdings. But the thugs, go too far and do things that cause the people to turn against you. The thugs did not have the subtle touch Putin hoped for; spy vs spy. Now you need to separate from the thugs. You do not want their help anymore, since they have gone too far. This admission of alliance is to put the blame on the thugs, to take that away from himself, since they went too far and are now a liability to everyone, including Putin.

It is like the second in command; thugs, in the mafia family, may try yo turn on the leader to become the new Don. They are worse than the original Don. The Don, is putting out the omission that his second in command, is a threat to all, and needs to be stopped. The thugs went too far, tasted blood and now are rapid and a threat to all. The rapid dog has to be put down to end their reign terror.

 

[Kathryn]

Here's what I think about Ukraine. I do think it's their own business. but I also don't want us or anyone else to let Putin off the hook so to speak. So it's a pretty delicate balance.

 

[F1fan]

I also remind you that after WW2, Germans and Italians, former "bad guys" worked for a peaceful Europe. And since then they have become among the most pacifist countries in the world.

Yeah, they learned not to follow criminal and corrupt leaders like putin. Now Russian citizens need to learn what Germans and Italians did and elect sane leadership.

And I also remind you that Italy has always favored the alliance between Soviet Russia and America, and also had the most important Communist Party in the West, Partito Comunista Italiano, PCI.

As a bike racer I am aware that Italy always had a close alliance with Russia. Russian bike racers rode Italian bikes and components through the Cold War (But most all of us did too, albeit we had more options from the West). That was a unique and valuable alliance that helped sustain a sort of status quo.

So it is the USA who have been sowed discord and war throughout 80 years.

More of your near complete ignorance about history and facts.

 

[Estro Felino]

More of your near complete ignorance about history and facts.

I live in Europe. Here things cannot be hidden because we are a tiny continent.

 

[Whateverist]

If Trump had been president, neither the Gazan War nor the Ukrainian War would have started.

Do you want the Gazan War to continue, or are you glad so many Gazans are dying?

So have you stopped beating your wife or do you prefer to go on pummeling her? Which is it?

 

[Estro Felino]

@F1fan

This hot handsome man was a wanted Russian man in the US.
He was arrested in Italy while he was trying to reach Russia.
But someone helped him evade and is now in Russia.

I am so glad that thanks to my country, he could evade.

 

[Estro Felino]

So have you stopped beating your wife or do you prefer to go on pummeling her? Which is it?

I am not a lesbian.