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Sorcerers appear quite a lot in the Islamic tradition.
What makes someone a sorcerer and what powers do they have? Who powers their magic, Shaytan and Jinn? What evidence is required to convict someone of sorcery in Islamic Law?
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Question about 28:4 to Muslim posters
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Sorcerers appear quite a lot in the Islamic tradition.
What makes someone a sorcerer and what powers do they have? Who powers their magic, Shaytan and Jinn? What evidence is required to convict someone of sorcery in Islamic Law?
Don't get me wrong. I am not claiming he pretended to be dead. I am saying though that such a claim makes as much sense as stating that Jesus did not die on the cross.
Similar doubt can be cast on anyone's death, including the deaths of people that the Quran claims have died in the way they did.
If they did break His legs, we could still cast doubt by saying that God could have magically healed them.
One of the Roman soldier stabbed Jesus in the side with a spear. Do you think that after a horrendous day of whippings and torture and finally the agonizing pain of being on a cross for a few hours, He would have been more or less likely to survive?
I wasn't pointing out what you underlined, but the fragment before, that Jesus was not crucified.
The Bible does make it very clear Jesus was nailed to a cross, even if you want to speculate that because His legs were broken, He was alive. The Quran does not confirm what the Bible says about Jesus having been crucified.
There is no way to ask Jesus, since He is in Heaven. You stated that the disciples who wrote the Gospels judged by what they saw, that is true. Do you then doubt their reports of Jesus raising the dead?
They also judged by what they heard. Do you doubt that Jesus said that the Father is His God?
Are you sure you want to go down this route?
... or the Pharaoh drowning. He could have survived the waves, if the Exodus happened at all. There is no way to medically verify the death of anyone who is reported to have died either according to the Bible or Quran or hadiths. If we want to go about speculating that people who are reported to have died really didn't, we can, I guess.
I am kind of surprised that you would make such judgements about me. You never even asked me to begin with why I post about Islam, now you are stating that you think I am not here to learn the truth, but to prove your religion wrong.
It is also hypocritical of you brother to get angry at me for trying to prove Islam wrong if you think that is what my purpose is and to cause doubts, when in most conversations you have had with me about Christianity you try to create doubts about my faith. You are trying to make me question and doubt the account that Jesus died on the cross, as well as the Triune nature of God, and Christ's divinity. You have even started telling me how I should and should not pray!
Do you even realize the context of me writing what I wrote?
I wrote:
"Does your not religion rely on the Quran being correct and without error? If it states that the Jews killed their prophets but they didn't or that Ramses II drowned but he didn't. your belief system also falls apart.?"
as a response to you writing that if Jesus did not die, my religion falls apart. I said the same thing applies to yours, regarding the deaths of people as recorded in the Quran, because as my religion falls apart if Jesus did not die and resurrect, yours falls apart if anything in the Quran turns out to be wrong.
So you can question and doubt that Jesus died and that is OK but if I question or doubt that the Quran is perfect in all of its details, including the deaths of the people recorded in it, all of a sudden my sincerity is questionable?
Was I insulted by your questions and critiques and trying to raise doubts about what I and other Christians believe, or did I tell you I am considering not wasting anymore time discussing with you? No!
A sincere discussion means to me that people will sincerely discuss each others' beliefs, and be free to affirm, question, or criticize even, as long as it is backed up with evidence. I have no problems at all with you questioning what I believe and trying to poke holes in my theology. I appreciate a good debate, because we learn best from people who disagree with us, not those who agree with everything we say.
If you have problems with that, then maybe we shouldn't debate. If you are OK with it, let's continue.
Why am I posting about Islam? The reason is pretty simple, though you never asked me why so you wouldn't know, even though you felt free to make speculations about my sincerity.
For the past 13 or so years I have believed that the Bible is completely free of errors and perfect. It was a rude and shocking surprise to learn this is not so, and I have had to re-evaluate what I believe and don't believe of my faith.
The only religion I am aware of that like Christianity teaches there is one God and is universal and has eternal ramifications, is Islam. I am open to the possibility that it could be true, but I am not going to abandon my faith until I am convinced that Islam is indeed free from errors. The only way I know to do that is to ask questions about what I believe are errors or potential errors in the Quran and hadiths, and see what Muslims have to say in defence of your religion. I have been convinced that some of the things I thought initially were errors or contradictions turned out not to be so, and not with others.
I enjoy discussing with you and hope that you do not choose to break off discussion with me, but to be completely honest, if you choose to do so, I won't lose sleep over it either. You are a good and sincere person and I consider you a friend and it would suck if things between us changed, but lol I have gone through a lot harder things in life and I will be fine.
Regardless of your decision, I wish you all the best and hope God leads us to Him.
So are you saying that the Jews mentioned in the Quran were not a separate ethnic group, but originally Egyptians who chose monotheism?
When did they convert?
Is there any connection, according to the Quran, between the Jews and Joseph?
Why were the Jews called sometimes call Banu Israil in the Quran? Weren't they just Egyptians?
Why was Pharaoh's wife not called a Jew, nor the sorcerers who were murdered for following Moses?
Are you aware that the word "Jew" has both a religious and ethnic meaning?
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Interesting questions, but how do they pertain to the topic of the thread?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes exactly they were Egyptians
It was when some accepted the message of Moses and immigrated to the promised land (Israel).
In the quran no connection, there is a complete Sura for Joseph, no mention for Jews or Banu Israel. Surat Yusuf - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
Banu Israel are those who came to Israel "their promised land", there were also Banu Khaybar the Jews living in a place called Khaybar.
The word Jews are for Jews in General, but if Banu Israel then it's about the Jews living in Israel.
That confirms my point, they were all Egyptians before leaving to Israel.
Yes i'm aware of that, they're humans.
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Egyptians who were monotheists, correct?
Hold on a second. If the reason the Pharaoh persecuted the Jews was religious, and they became monotheists because of Moses, then how come he persecuted them before Moses was born? What was the point of enslaving the Israelites and killing their firstborns, if they were being persecuted for a religion that Moses brought to them?
Also, why is there a complete silence in Egyptian records about this group of monotheists? Ramses II made records of himself conquering and enslaving Nubians and Asiatics. Why is there absolutely nothing written about these religious rebels?
We know that when an Egyptian Pharaoh called Akhenaten changed the religion to focus only on the sun god and to abandon the others, many Ancient Egyptians condemned him and wrote about him. Yet we have not one record of the Jews, allegedly Egyptian converts who Pharaoh hated so much that he tried to enslave them and kill their young... before their founder was even born.
Thanks for showing this.
Thanks for explaining.
Is the word "Jew" meant in an ethnic or religious way?
But if Jew meant an Egyptian monotheist following Moses, why not refer to them as Jews? Didn't they become Jews as soon as they started following Moses? Why no mention of this?
However, Muslims are not an ethnic group, they are only religious. Jews are both.
Afwan. InshAllah you will and we will talk some more.
Now after going back to what you said in context and what you were replying to, i do agree with you that it was hypocritical of me to claim something and not allow you to have the right to have a counter claim of a similar nature.
Well, actually i wasn't being a hypocrite in purpose or anything but rather i just lost track of what we were saying and i allowed my ill judgment to cloud my focus and fairness.
Regarding asking you for your purpose in making these threads, i thought it was rude and none of my business for why you need to know, that you were free to ask and we were also free to answer or not to. Nevertheless, i fell for something which was far worse than rudeness, lol.
I would like to apologize from you, and for what it's worth, i have not had a very good and challenging debate with someone like you in ages.
So, we shall resume our debate, if you don't mind of course.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes, the Egyptians who accepted the message of Moses became monotheists and then became Jews once their message was distorted.
Pharaoh was dealing with the sorcerers, they told Pharaoh at one day that a child was born and will end his ruling in Egypt.
Pharaoh ordered to kill every born child in order to prevent the event from happening.
God whispered to the mother of Moses to put her child in a basket on the river as to save her child from the execution and then God provided the causes for the child to reach Pharaoh's wife and she loved him from the first instance and she decided to take care of him and God provided the causes for his true mother to breastfeed him.
One of the sorcerers told Pharaoh that he's afraid that the child in his house will be the one to end his ruling, the wife of Pharaoh protected Moses from being executed.
Who told you that he was Ramses II ?
I don't know much about Egyptology if any, but according to my knowledge about the story of Moses i can know who was the real Pharaoh by connecting the date of Israel in Palestine which will point to the date of the Pharaoh of Moses.
If we can prove that the jews of Israel existed in Palestine long before Moses (or at least the expected date for Moses) then that will bring doubt about the quran, to me at least.
If you have an evidence for the exact date for the Jews of Israel then pls bring it here.
Of course it is religious, we're all humans.
You can see black and white Jews.
No, they weren't called Jews, they went to Israel and became Banu Israel and then Jews.
So the eastern European's Jews is ethnically the same as the negro's Jews, doesn't make any sense.
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Salaam Alaikum, TashaN.Now after going back to what you said in context and what you were replying to, i do agree with you that it was hypocritical of me to claim something and not allow you to have the right to have a counter claim of a similar nature.
Well, actually i wasn't being a hypocrite in purpose or anything but rather i just lost track of what we were saying and i allowed my ill judgment to cloud my focus and fairness.
Regarding asking you for your purpose in making these threads, i thought it was rude and none of my business for why you need to know, that you were free to ask and we were also free to answer or not to. Nevertheless, i fell for something which was far worse than rudeness, lol.
I would like to apologize from you, and for what it's worth, i have not had a very good and challenging debate with someone like you in ages.
So, we shall resume our debate, if you don't mind of course.
Thanks for your response and for your apology, I accept it. Sorry for calling you a hypocrite, I think there was just a misunderstanding in communication, which happens to everyone from time to time.
Let's continue the debate.
Hold on a second, earlier you wrote:
When prophet Moses delivered his message to the Egyptians, some follow him and some others rejected his message, the ones who followed him were called later on the Jews but originally they were the Egyptians.
The ones who followed the message of Moses, according to what you said were the Jews. Now you are saying that they became Jews after his message was distorted. Was Moses preaching a distorted message from the outset?
Where does it say in the Quran that the sorcerers told Pharaoh that one day a child will be born to depose him?
Are you seriously suggesting that there was an Egyptian Pharaoh who one year tried to kill every newborn child in Ancient Egypt? Which one???
What kind of a madman would try to kill off a child in every family among his population? Why is there no Egyptian or any other record that states such a thing?
Like the Pharaoh of the Quran, he ruled for a several decades. The Quran teaches us that when Moses was full age, he had to flee Egypt after killing a man who was abusing an Israelite. At what age does a person become full age? He had to have at least been 15 or 17. Let's say 15. We know that Moses was in Midian for 10 years, also according to the Quran. He came back to Egypt, and the plagues according to the Quran also lasted for a few years. Let's make a minimal estimate and say it was two.
The Pharaoh of the Quran would have at least had been ruling on the throne for 27 years. Which other Pharaoh could it have been?
Who do you believe it was?
We know that a group of people called "Habiru" lived in Canaan and fought with Egyptian armies there. We also know that many of them were in Ancient Egypt as early as the 15th century BC, doing manual labour.
Ancient Egyptian literature bears mention of a specific group of people designated as PR.W. This is pronounced, "Apiru'. Scholars were quick to notice the similarity in the word Apiru, with Habiru, and in turn, Hebrew.
Indeed, the word Apiru oftentimes refers to a similar type of people as Habiru. Apiru in the Egyptian texts are often depicted in manual labor, a parallel of the Hebrews in ancient Egyptian history.
Scholars agree that the PR.W finds its Akkadian equivalent in the Hapiru. The reference in ancient Egyptian literature has been proven to simply be a different designation for the same group of people.
A scene from the tomb of an Egyptian woman dating from 1470 B.C.E. depicts a group of men working at a winepress. The caption of the scene reads;
"Straining out wine by the Apiru."
The date of this scene puts it during the reign of Hatshepsut, and Thutmose III. It is noteworthy this scene depicts foreigners doing manual labor in Egypt.
Ancient Egyptian Literature and the Habiru
OK. However, unlike Muslims and Christians, Jews see themselves both as a religion and an ethnic group.
So is "Jew" a term used for someone who is following a distortion of the religion of Moses?
Actually, studies show that they are genetically very similar.
Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.
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Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors. First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. (Fig.2).2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. Our results are consistent with other studies of Ethiopian Jews based on a variety of markers (16, 23, 46). However, as in other studies where Ethiopian Jews exhibited markers that are characteristic of both African and Middle Eastern populations, they had Y-chromosome haplotypes (e.g., haplotypes Med and YAP+4S) that were common in other Jewish populations.
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I said "later on" and not from the outset.
All prophets taught Islam which means submission to God, one example to understand it is the Bahai.
They were Muslims before becoming Bahai.
Job 22:21
“Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.
Proverbs 3:6
in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.
It is how the story was interpreted, i don't know the exact source for it
According to the quran the mentioned Pharaoh was an oppressor and a dictator, he raped their women and killed their children, not sure about the reason why he was so and which Pharaoh.
Do you think rulers had allowed recording their bad deeds ?
Do you think that there were Media and free speeches at that era ?
The quran didn't mention that he killed an Israelite but ones of those not following him.
We can never be sure about the exact dates for the years ruled by each Pharaoh, we don't even sure about the date of Jesus's birth day.
Mernpetah
So you think the Jews were living long time ago in Egypt and even involved with the Egyptian army.
How you said before that the Jews never lived in ancient Egypt ? Are you contradicting yourself just to refute the quran.
So you want to believe guessing as to be an absolute fact.
That proves that you're wasting your time and ours.
And those foreigners are the Jews having business in Egypt, that of course makes sense to you.
And if they see themselves so, then it should be an absolute fact.
Yes it is, submitting to God's will in peace is the message and not Juda or Christ ..etc
Do you think the Jews who accepted Jesus and became Christians are genetically still Jews and the Jews who accepted Islam are still genetically Jews, so we are all genetically Jews.
Are you sure that you care to find the truth, i'm 100% in doubt of that
"Jews" Are Not Descendants of Abraham
What a silly approach ?!
Judaism is a religion and the one who believed it and accepted it becomes a Jew.
Conversion to Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Salaam Alaikum, TashaN.
Thanks for your response and for your apology, I accept it. Sorry for calling you a hypocrite, I think there was just a misunderstanding in communication, which happens to everyone from time to time.
Let's continue the debate.
Walikum Alsalam. You don't have to be sorry. You were right about me and i was wrong. That's the truth which i had to admit.
By the way, i want to retreat some of my opinions like the crucifixion matter. Although i wanted to go further about it but when i asked my teacher, he told me that i was wrong. I'll come back to write more posts in details insha'Allah.
Salaam Alaikum TashaN and glad to hear from you. No problem with needing to take back some opinions, it happens to everyone.
Can you elaborate on that though, and let me know what you are taking back about what you stated on the crucifixion, and why?
That's cool that you asked your teacher for advice, it's always an awesome idea to seek knowledge. Both Christianity and Islam are in agreement on this.
Looking forward to reading your posts later, inshAllah. Have a good day and take care.
OK, thank you for that. Now I think I understand what you are saying.
The people who were oppressed in Egypt by Pharaoh was the Egyptian population, and later some of them followed Moses and came to Israel and became Banu Israil, and later they became Jews when they allegedly changed what was given to them. Would that be a correct understanding of what you are saying?
I do. This interpretation comes from Ibn Qathir, who wrote a book called "The Stories of the Prophets".
The pharaoh who ruled Egypt was a tyrant who oppressed the descendants of Jacob (pbuh), known as the children of Israel (Bani Israel). He used every means to demean and disgrace them. They were kept in bondage and forced to work for him for small wages or nothing. Under this system the people obeyed and worshipped the pharaoh, and the ruling class carried out his orders, thereby authorizing his tyranny and crazy whims.
The pharaoh wanted the people to obey him only, and to believe in the gods of his invention. Perhaps, during that time, there were many classes of people who did not believe in or practice polytheism; however, they kept this to themselves and outwardly did as they were expected to do, without revolting or revealing themselves to anyone.
Thus, successive dynasties came to Egypt and assumed that they were gods or their representative or spokesmen.
Years passed, and a despotic king, who was adored by the Egyptians, ruled Egypt. His king saw the children of Israel multiplying and prospering. He heard them talking about a vague vision that one of Israel' s sons would dethrone the pharaoh of Egypt. Perhaps this vision was only a daydream that persisted within the hearts of the persecuted minority, or perhaps it was a prophecy from their books.
Another tradition states that it was Pharaoh himself who had the vision. Ibn 'Abbas narrated: "Pharaoh saw in his vision a fire, which came from Jerusalem and burned the houses of the Egyptians, and all Copts, and did not do harm to the children of Israel. When he woke up, he was horrified. He then gathered his priests and magicians and asked them about this vision. They said: 'This means a boy will be born of them and the Egyptian people will perish at his hands.' That is why Pharaoh commanded that all male children of the children of Israel be killed."
Either way, this vision reached the ears of the Pharaoh. He then issued a decree to slay any male child that would be born to the children of Israel. This was carried out until the experts of economics said to Pharaoh: "The aged of the children of Israel die and the young are slaughtered. This will lead to their annihilation. As a result, Pharaoh will lose the manpower of those who work for him, those whom he enslaves, and their women whom he exploits. It is better to regulate this procedure by initiating the following policy: males should be slaughtered in one year but spared to live the next year." Pharaoh found that solution to be safer economically.
The Story of Moses and Aaron (Musa and Haroon) - Stories of the Prophets - Islamic eBooks - A2Youth.com
Ibn Qathir wrote that after Pharaoh's vision, his advisors told him to put to death firstborn male children of every second year.
He also wrote that the Banu Israil were descendants from Jacob, and also that there was obviously a difference between them and the Coptic natives.
No Pharaoh would kill off firstborn male children every second year from his entire population. Firstly, Egypt was fearful of its neighbours, and doing such an idiotic thing would be suicidal for the army. Secondly, his own people would have overthrown him.
We know from Ancient Egyptian records that there was some freedom in that country, and workers in fact went on strike at times. Do you think the entire population would consent to an infanticide of their children carried out every second year??? Come on, my friend.
No, but even Egyptians who lived after Ramses II only had good things to say about him. There is no record anywhere of what you described, not even in the Quran or tafsirs or Bible.
Sorry, thank you for the correction.
No, but we know how many years they ruled.
List of pharaohs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Keep in mind also that the title of Pharaoh only began to be used for Egyptian kings during the reign of Tuthmose III (1479-1425 BC)
Why Mernpetah?
Where did I say the Jews never lived in Ancient Egypt?
Aren't you guessing the Pharaoh was Merneptah?
If the Habiru were not the Hebrews, who do you think they were?
Why?
Why not?
Explain then the genetic similarily most of them seem to share.
2:262
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
How can it be then that before Muhammad came there were Jews and Christians who believed in God and the Last Day and did righteousness?
Weren't they following a distorted religion?
Those Jews who accepted Christianity and Islam were genetically Jews, since to be a Jew means to be a member of the religion of Judaism and/or a member of a certain ethnic group.
We are not all genetically Jews. A Japanese Christian or Muslim does not have the same genetic make-up as a Jew.
I've read the article. Have you read rebuttals to the theory, like this one?
Refuting the Khazar Theory of Aurthur Hoestler (The Thirteenth Tribe) and Others.
True, it is a religion. It is also an ethnicity, as genetic studies demonstrate.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes exactly
Yes but i don't know what is his sources, so i can't confirm what he wrote as the quran didn't say why Pharaoh was so aggressive.
I ain't sure about why Pharaoh was a dictator, but i don't agree with you that a dictator would care about the reaction of the public, even today the public can do nothing with the martial law, obey or die.
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Look to Mubarak regime and how many civilians died and then the Sisi.
Yes you're right and i think that is the reason that some followed Moses against Pharaoh.
Yes he was an Angel, all rulers of ancient Egypt were Angels and there were freedom of speech and democracy.
No problem, i'll assume dates are correct
For 2 reasons, first Israel was only known in his period and never before and also there was a war between him and Israel, second is the study headed by Maurice which confirms that the death was due to drowning.
You said they were slaves, Question about 28:4 to Muslim posters | Page 5 | ReligiousForums.com
Then you're saying the Jews lived long ago in Egypt and even involved in the Egyptian army.
Yes of course i admit that i'm guessing, i don't claim that i'm 100% certain.
How could we know, Egyptians were called pharaohs, in Arabic Masreyeen, Jews were called yahood and still called in Hebrew and Arabic as Yahood.
Because you are saying that Habiru were the Jews whereas before you said there was no evidence for the Jews in ancient Egypt and foreigners were prisoners and slaves,so you're contradicting yourself.
Because how a prisoner and a slave can manage business in Ancient Egypt.
Now if i become a Jew then my genetic will be similar to the Jews.
Are you really serious ?
Judaism is a religion.
The verse is in the past tense,it makes sense, people before Islam born as Jews and Christians ..etc, so do you think it's fair that all of them to be punished for being so.
Now if a Jew accepted Islam, will he still be called a Jew or will be called a Muslim.
Thank you for confirming. I just wanted to have an understanding of what you believe so I don't misunderstand or misrepresent your words.
If the Jews became the Banu Israil after they arrived in Israel, then how come 20:47 states:
20:47
So go to him and say, 'Indeed, we are messengers of your Lord, so send with us the Children of Israel and do not torment them. We have come to you with a sign from your Lord. And peace will be upon he who follows the guidance.
Why would Moses call Egyptians the Children of Israel when they hadn't even arrived there yet, and how would Pharaoh have known who he was talking about?
Then how can you know that the Israelites were in fact Egyptians, or that Pharaoh's plan to kill all the newborns in Egypt came as a result of lobbying from sorcerers?
I think I may have been unclear. It is not surprising that during the reign of Ramses II, no one discussed his crimes. What is surprising, and ubelievable, is that no one after him would have said he attempted a genocide of his own population.
The fact is that Ramses II was venerated by his people, and held in very high esteem. The same can't be said either of Mubarak or Sisi, or even tyrants like Ivan the Terrible or Nero or Shaka Zulu. There has not been one historian or even scholar to my knowledge who stated what you just said, that Ramses II (assuming he was the Pharaoh of the Quran) attempted an infanticide on a national level of his own people.
Do you think that only "some" would follow him if there was indeed a nation in which almost everyone was oppressed by massive infanticide?
Yes, they were the ones appearing in the 1990s commercials about selling cream cheese.
I love your sarcasm and obviously there was no democracy in Ancient Egypt. There were however some rights that workers did have, even if they lived under very unfair conditions and in a very unequal society.
Great.
Are you sure Maurice Bucaille said that he died from drowning, or did he say this about Ramses II? Can you please provide a source to back up your claim?
I read my post. Where did I say they were not living in Ancient Egypt? When I said the Habiru fought with the Egyptian armies, I meant to say they fought against them. Notice I said they lived in Canaan (what is now Israel/Palestine) and that they were brought into Egypt as slaves.
I look forward to reading the Bucaille quote you cited about him being the Pharaoh of the Quran.
If you believe the hypothesis I presented is wrong, then show where my sources are mistaken and/or present a better one, also using historical sources.
Where did I say there was no evidence for Jews in Ancient Egypt? Please show me were I wrote that. Thanks so much.
Where did I say they were managing business while they were prisoners and/or slaves?
If you convert to Judaism of course your genetics will not change, but it does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews in the world share the same genetics, different than the genetics of non-Jews. So yes, Judaism is a religion that one can convert to, but at the same time Jews also are an ethnic group.
So it was OK to follow distorted religions prior to Islam? When were Judaism and Christianity distorted, and by who?
Probably a Muslim, or a Jewish Muslim.