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Question for Jews

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Please don't be sarcastic with your answers.

Christians bow to the physical body of Jesus
Muslims bow to the physical object of Mecca

Do Jews have an object they bow to? (not an object/person that is or is where god spoke. Just in general)
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Please don't be sarcastic with your answers.

Christians bow to the physical body of Jesus
Muslims bow to the physical object of Mecca

Do Jews have an object they bow to? (not an object/person that is or is where god spoke. Just in general)

let me correct what you said about Muslims please:
Muslims DON'T bow to the physical object of Mecca..

They bow to Allah, The Ka'aba is the direction of prayer only...

Allah is not a physical object in Islam..

P.S. My writing here represents Shia Islam
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
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let me correct what you said about Muslims please:
Muslims DON'T bow to the physical object of Mecca..

They bow to Allah, The Ka'aba is the direction of prayer only...

Allah is not a physical object in Islam..

P.S. My writing here represents Shia Islam

Thank you for the clarification. That's the same with Catholics and statues. The only direction of prayer Catholics have is at Mass towards the Eucharist. Anywhere else, its within them when they pray.

I don't know how the Jews pray and if they pray towards anything.

But, no. I didn't say Mecca was god. Just was thinking that is where he is in a spiritual sense. However, I see it from a Catholic view when it comes to faiths of Abraham. Catholics do pray to the Eucharist and in the direction of the Eucharist (if one physically can).

The two religions are completely different even by the Bible, they are. OT maybe more similar but NT no, I couldn't compare Islam to Christianity. Like apples (Islam) and Oranges (Christianity) may be be both fruits (Faiths of Abraham) but they are not each other.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
We bow to God, but we often pray facing the ark so it can look like we are bowing to the Torah.

We do revere the Torah as a precious gift; we stand when the ark it is kept in is opened, and have songs about it.
We kiss the Torah when it passes, and we often do the same with siddurim (prayer books) and chumashim (printed Bibles) when we pick them up or close them after use.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Please don't be sarcastic with your answers.

Christians bow to the physical body of Jesus
Muslims bow to the physical object of Mecca

Do Jews have an object they bow to? (not an object/person that is or is where god spoke. Just in general)
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
We bow to God, but we often pray facing the ark so it can look like we are bowing to the Torah.

We do revere the Torah as a precious gift; we stand when the ark it is kept in is opened, and have songs about it.
We kiss the Torah when it passes, and we often do the same with siddurim (prayer books) and chumashim (printed Bibles) when we pick them up or close them after use.
Just to clarify, what you mean was that we pray facing the ark so its possible that it might look as though we are bowing to the Torah, when in fact we are not. (The first time I read it, I read it as "but we often pray facing the ark so [in order] that it can look like we are bowing to the Torah.)
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
We bow to G-d in any direction. It happens to be that there is one prayer that needs to be said facing Jerusalem and that prayer happens to have a number of bows in it. But other bows in other prayers can be done in any direction.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Yes, we pay homage to the Law just as Jesus did when he declared that, to achieve salvation from hell-fire, we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)
Jesus also explained his mission to obey the Law down to the letter and to make sure we all did the same until heaven and earth passed away. (Matthew 5:17-19)
Heaven and earth are still in their same place. Therefore, the Law is still actual so that we all do as Jesus did according to his gospel which was the Tanach.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Yes, we pay homage to the Law just as Jesus did when he declared that, to achieve salvation from hell-fire, we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)
Jesus also explained his mission to obey the Law down to the letter and to make sure we all did the same until heaven and earth passed away. (Matthew 5:17-19)
Heaven and earth are still in their same place. Therefore, the Law is still actual so that we all do as Jesus did according to his gospel which was the Tanach.
This question was directed towards "Jews" not "[Christians posing as ]Jews".
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
We dont bow to Kabah. The black stone cannot benefit us and it cannot harm us aswell.

Amir al muminun Umar ibn al Khattab(may Allah be pleased with him) the Champion of Islam said:
I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allâh’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Allâh be upon him – kiss you, I would never have kissed you.”
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
Just to clarify, what you mean was that we pray facing the ark so its possible that it might look as though we are bowing to the Torah, when in fact we are not. (The first time I read it, I read it as "but we often pray facing the ark so [in order] that it can look like we are bowing to the Torah.)
Correct, and thank you. I didn't realize it might be read that way when I posted it.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
We bow to God, but we often pray facing the ark so it can look like we are bowing to the Torah.

We do revere the Torah as a precious gift; we stand when the ark it is kept in is opened, and have songs about it.
We kiss the Torah when it passes, and we often do the same with siddurim (prayer books) and chumashim (printed Bibles) when we pick them up or close them after use.
Thank you. Beautiful.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
We dont bow to Kabah. The black stone cannot benefit us and it cannot harm us aswell.

Amir al muminun Umar ibn al Khattab(may Allah be pleased with him) the Champion of Islam said:
I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allâh’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Allâh be upon him – kiss you, I would never have kissed you.”

Why do you bow "towards" that direction?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Judaism (from Latin: Iudaismus, derived from Greek Ἰουδαϊσμός, originally from Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, "Judah";[1][2] in Hebrew:יהדות, Yahadut, the distinctive characteristics of the Judean ethnos)[3] encompasses the religion, philosophy, culture and way of life of the Jewish people.[4]

Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. You presented the definition for 'judaism', but in the original comment you used the word 'jew'. What do you call Israelites/ Judeans , so forth, who arent practicing judaism?

You also might run into contradictions, because the rabbinical /religious designations would have to be under the presumption that one is practicing judaism, or ''defined'' as jewish, via those methods. If someone isnt actually defined as jewish via those methods, /as you would be implying/, then why are the methods used to delineate 'jew' from 'non-jew..
wouldn't really make sense
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. You presented the definition for 'judaism', but in the original comment you used the word 'jew'. What do you call Israelites/ Judeans , so forth, who arent practicing judaism?

You also might run into contradictions, because the rabbinical /religious designations would have to be under the presumption that one is practicing judaism, or ''defined'' as jewish, via those methods. If someone isnt actually defined as jewish via those methods, /as you would be implying/, then why are the methods used to delineate 'jew' from 'non-jew..
wouldn't really make sense
RF doesn't seem to be bound to Rabbinic categorization, so I'm not sure why you bring that up.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Please don't be sarcastic with your answers.

Christians bow to the physical body of Jesus
Muslims bow to the physical object of Mecca

Do Jews have an object they bow to? (not an object/person that is or is where god spoke. Just in general)

Here it's

 
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