Desert Snake
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Are you referring to the crucifix, or such? Only some churches do that, not ''Christians''. That's very misleading
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Question for Jews
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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Are you referring to the crucifix, or such? Only some churches do that, not ''Christians''. That's very misleading
rosends
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In that case, some Jews bow to televisions, some bow to trees and some to tall bald men named "Fred."
But if they are bowing as expressions of their identity as a Jew (not their affiliation with or belief in another system which, regardless of their birth, is incompatible with their identity as a Jew) then they bow as explained by actual Jews who are Jewish and who are members of the religion of Judaism as descended from the Kingdom of Judah.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Im referring to practicing Jews (persons) who practice judaism.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
To Eucharist/Jesus Christ. I should have put Catholics but I dont desginate Catholics from other christians.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Right, however, the word 'Christians' is very broad in the presented original argument.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Huh? There are people on the forums who are 'Jewish' , /ethnicity, etc., and are atheists, Satanists, whatever. No idea what your comment is supposed to mean,
''identity as a Jew'', /bowing, religious affiliation, is arbitrary and subjective.
you mean 'identity as practicing Judaism'
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Thats why I dont separate Christians from Catholics. Catholics pray to Jesus as do pretestants. The manner of which they do and theology behind isnt really the point. But I can see your confusion.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I'm simply stating that it is more apt to state the actual groups that bow to the figure of jesus, as opposed to merely writing ''Christians''
/why do jews wear large brimmed hats?
/why do Christians not believe that Jesus is G-d? //JW's
etc etc
notice the problem?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
May I?
Example. African Americans in Northern area and more down south have a distinct identity. Its not just because of color of skin but our shared history, art, ans politics. All of which is hold on by a glue of protestant christianity.
Analogy comparison
Someone who is a Jew (African American) could be any one of any Jewish heritage (aka any skin color ans where one is from)
When someone identifies as Jew (some say Black in AF case) he is identifying with his religion not just his culture etc. He is a practicing Jew as many Black people are practicing Christians.
Id assuming a practicing Jew would have a different perspective on Judaiam than a Jew who is an atheist. But I want specific and just assumed that the few Jews on RF are practicing Jews and may answer.
But in general, it depends on how the person identifies themself whether Jewish, Black, Chinese, etc.
*Im just using Jews and African Americans as a comparison. Dont take it serious folks.*
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
But Christians do bow to Jesus. Maybe "bow" isnt a good word. Use physical ways to give reverence. JW study. Protestant from raising ones arms to cart wheel in the ailes. Catholic geneflecting to the Jesus. And so forth.
The point is the "act" of worship is to Jesus.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
There shouldn't even be an argument here. 'Jew' does not mean the same thing as ''Judaism'', period. I'm frankly surprised that any jews are arguing with me about this, i'm sure they know Jews who aren't practicing, and Jews with differing religious belief. Perhaps they don't consider Jews as jewish anymore if they join the CoS /Church of Satan,, so forth, I'm not sure
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I don't bow to Jesus. Personally i don't have a problem with bowing to Jesus, if it isn't the Crucifix.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I dont know if you are understanding.
A Jew can practice anything he wants. Being a Jew does not mean one practices Judaism.
As one member said here, to some Jews who take up their religion as an identity are "Jews who practice Judaism".
No one said Jews are the same thing as judaism. I am personally saying those that do practice are the audience of my OP. I notice Jews here are helping you differientiate between a Jew who is by heritage compared to one who is also takes identity of his religion.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Do you worsbip Jesus?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
No, i understand...
Great.
Wonderful.
No, that is my argument. You have it mixed up, apparently. You;re agreeing with my arguments.
if you specified ''practicing judaism', in the op, then you would be correct/ which you didn't
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yes, I am a Modalist, //'Sabellian'
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Youre saying Jews are telling you Jews are those who practice Judaism. We agree they are. They are trying to tell you some do by religious identity while others dont. In one post you said you didnt understand that.
I was trying to clarify how you dont understand what they are agreeing with but clarifying the manner in which Jews and Judaism are related to each other and are not related.
On my phone so correcting spelling errors
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How do you worsbip jesus, if I may ask?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
As the description of the video says, this is prayer AT the wall. They aren't praying TO the wall.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I understand that, however the context of the 'argument', was referring to that one comment, / There is nothing ''wrong'' with identifying ones Jewishness as the religion, but that isn't the contextual argument