Question for Jews

[FearGod]

well u are quranist

I'm a Muslim and period.

 

[Akivah]

What's your point?

Well, you asked in post# 41 "Why the need for the wall in first place?" It's a holy place. I was wondering if you were having trouble understanding the concept of holy places due to Muslims having no holy places? Does Islam have holy places for their religion?

 

[FearGod]

Well, you asked in post# 41 "Why the need for the wall in first place?" It's a holy place. I was wondering if you were having trouble understanding the concept of holy places due to Muslims having no holy places? Does Islam have holy places for their religion?

You can't be a Jew without the holy wall, what if a Jew living in Australia,
he can't be a real Jew or what, again I can't get your point.

 

[Akivah]

You can't be a Jew without the holy wall, what if a Jew living in Australia,
he can't be a real Jew or what, again I can't get your point.

False.

Also, I've asked several times so far and you haven't answered. Do Muslims have holy places?

 

[Ben Avraham]

This question was directed towards "Jews" not "[Christians posing as ]Jews".

Did I say, by any chance, any thing to imply that I am a Christian posing as a Jew? I thought you were aware that Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian. He never even dreamed Christianity would ever rise.
Paul was the one, a former Jew who founded an anti-Jewish religion aka Christianity. (Acts 11:26)

 

[Desert Snake]

This question was directed towards "Jews" not "[Christians posing as ]Jews".

Judaism (from Latin: Iudaismus, derived from Greek Ἰουδαϊσμός, originally from Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, "Judah";[1][2] in Hebrew:יהדות, Yahadut, the distinctive characteristics of the Judean ethnos)[3] encompasses the religion, philosophy, culture and way of life of the Jewish people.[4]

RF doesn't seem to be bound to Rabbinic categorization, so I'm not sure why you bring that up.

In that case, some Jews bow to televisions, some bow to trees and some to tall bald men named "Fred."

But if they are bowing as expressions of their identity as a Jew (not their affiliation with or belief in another system which, regardless of their birth, is incompatible with their identity as a Jew) then they bow as explained by actual Jews who are Jewish and who are members of the religion of Judaism as descended from the Kingdom of Judah.

I mean that if someone is identifying as a Jew (and not as an atheist or a Satanist or a Christian) then that person's opinion regarding a question related to being a Jew should have to do with that identification as a Jew or otherwise the question and the marker, as you define it, are meaningless.

I will ask "What text do Christians hold as biblically canonical" and someone who calls himself "Christian" even though he believes in Muhammed etc will say "the Quran." But hey, he is ethnically (etc?) Christian so he can answer and represent his answer as being in line with that title of "Christian." Same thing.

Being a Jew is a function of birth or conversion. This is a rule decided upon by the religion itself -- no one outside the system can decide upon the rules for the system. When someone answers as a member of the group, to a question about the practices of the group, his answer should, likewise, come from within that group.

Jew does not mean the same thing as Judaism because they are not identical but that does not mean that they are distinct. A Jew is someone who is a member of the group which is defined by Judaism as a Jew. This does not mean that he practices the rites and rituals of Judaism but it does mean that if he identifies as a Jew in order to answer a question about Jews his answer should reflect that aspect of Judaism that confers upon him the title of Jew. If he identifies as "Jew" and answers a question of Jews then an answer citing Christian doctrine should be frowned upon. Let the person call himself a Christian if his theological position is determined by allegiance to that religious doctrine.

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Did I say, by any chance, any thing to imply that I am a Christian posing as a Jew? I thought you were aware that Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian. He never even dreamed Christianity would ever rise.
Paul was the one, a former Jew who founded an anti-Jewish religion aka Christianity. (Acts 11:26)

That was a lot of ''argumentation'', for nothing, it seems. clearly states that he isn't a 'Christian',

 

[FearGod]

False.

Also, I've asked several times so far and you haven't answered. Do Muslims have holy places?

I answered that but it isn't my problem if you can't get my point.

Our relation with God isn't by a fixed place, a wall or a stone, if it makes
sense to you and to some Muslims then that doesn't mean it should
make sense to me.

What if an earthquake destroyed the western wall? will you keep the stones
and keep praying on the ruined wall?

 

[Tumah]

Did I say, by any chance, any thing to imply that I am a Christian posing as a Jew?

Yes. Read on to find out how...

I thought you were aware that Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian. He never even dreamed Christianity would ever rise.
Paul was the one, a former Jew who founded an anti-Jewish religion aka Christianity. (Acts 11:26)

So the fact that Jesus was Jewish should affect how I perceive him, but the fact that Paul was too, shouldn't?
Please.
This very argument is only found in the mouths of Christians trying to add authenticity to their religion by claiming that following Jesus is a Jewish thing because Jesus was Jewish. As though there weren't tons of Jewish sinners who tried to get others to follow them...

 

[Flankerl]

I answered that but it isn't my problem if you can't get my point.

"What's your point?"
"You can't be a Jew without the holy wall, what if a Jew living in Australia,
he can't be a real Jew or what, again I can't get your point."

What is it with you lying about this? You didn't answer it. Your first post was a question and in your second you go on about Jews.

Our relation with God isn't by a fixed place, a wall or a stone, if it makes
sense to you and to some Muslims then that doesn't mean it should
make sense to me.

Okay so the Masjid al-Haram, nor the Al-Masjid an-Nabawi are holy places?

That was a lot of ''argumentation'', for nothing, it seems. clearly states that he isn't a 'Christian',

Usually religious Jews don't start to quite Christian scripture or go on about how this Jesus fella was totally misunderstood.

That is usually done by non-Jews.

 

[FearGod]

"What's your point?"
"You can't be a Jew without the holy wall, what if a Jew living in Australia,
he can't be a real Jew or what, again I can't get your point."

What is it with you lying about this? You didn't answer it. Your first post was a question and in your second you go on about Jews.

I said multiple times that I don't agree to use a holy stone or a holy wall..etc
to pray to God, is it really that hard to get my point.

Okay so the Masjid al-Haram, nor the Al-Masjid an-Nabawi are holy places?

The Masjid al-haram was called al-haram to protect people and for them to be safe
inside it, so no fighting was allowed within it and those who are inside are protected,
that's the name Haram, killing not allowed inside it.

So if holy means to protect people from being killed, such as seeking a refugee during
wars, then that makes sense, but to kiss a stone or a wall, it doesn't make sense to me,
that's my point, as you don't have a point other than following blindly what your people do.

 

[Tumah]

but to kiss a stone or a wall, it doesn't make sense to me,
that's my point, as you don't have a point other than following blindly what your people do.

Do you kiss your parents?

 

[FearGod]

Do you kiss your parents?

How kissing your parents is related to kissing a wall or a stone?

 

[Tumah]

How kissing your parents is related to kissing a wall or a stone?

Its the same thing: you love and honor your parents and appreciate what they did for you. To show that, you kiss them.
The Western Wall and other holy objects facilitate our ability to become closer to G-d. We appreciate that and show them honor for that by kissing them. Even if its only a stone, its still a good character trait to show your appreciation and to give honor.

See? Now it makes sense to you, even if you don't agree with the principle.

 

[FearGod]

Its the same thing: you love and honor your parents and appreciate what they did for you. To show that, you kiss them.
The Western Wall and other holy objects facilitate our ability to become closer to G-d. We appreciate that and show them honor for that by kissing them. Even if its only a stone, its still a good character trait to show your appreciation and to give honor.

See? Now it makes sense to you, even if you don't agree with the principle.

OK, kiss the wall hard so God may love you more, maybe better to lick it too.

 

[Tumah]

OK, kiss the wall hard so God may love you more, maybe better to lick it too.

I didn't say that G-d loves us more for kissing the wall. I said that we show our appreciation for the wall for the service it provides us and honor its sanctity, by kissing it. Licking something is not an expression of appreciation or honor, its an expression of tastiness.

I'm not sure if by reinterpreting what was said into something silly (a trait I've noticed among some Muslims trying to interpret Tanach) you were aiming for scorn, or if you actually didn't understand what was said (another common issue I've noticed with Muslims when it comes to ideas that are alien to those of them that are raised in Arab countries).

 

[FearGod]

I didn't say that G-d loves us more for kissing the wall. I said that we show our appreciation for the wall for the service it provides us and honor its sanctity, by kissing it. Licking something is not an expression of appreciation or honor, its an expression of tastiness.

You didn't ever lick your wife's ....?

I'm not sure if by reinterpreting what was said into something silly (a trait I've noticed among some Muslims trying to interpret Tanach) you were aiming for scorn, or if you actually didn't understand what was said (another common issue I've noticed with Muslims when it comes to ideas that are alien to those of them that are raised in Arab countries).

Don't you see it as silly and you're defending it.

 

[metis]

You didn't ever lick your wife's ....?

Earlobe? Did that but got wax on my tongue.

 

[Tumah]

You didn't ever lick your wife's ....?

I'll just ignore this.

Don't you see it as silly and you're defending it.

Do you see the word "unique" in the title? And how the people next to him are not doing that? There are probably hundreds of videos of people praying at the wall and you found one video of some crazy guy doing some weird thing there. You're being deceitful - either to yourself or to others.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What have I started here? Am I missing something?

 

[FearGod]

I'll just ignore this.



Do you see the word "unique" in the title? And how the people next to him are not doing that? There are probably hundreds of videos of people praying at the wall and you found one video of some crazy guy doing some weird thing there. You're being deceitful - either to yourself or to others.

What difference it makes, he shows his love to the wall by kissing it or licking it
as to be closer to God, the others will only kiss it, craziness in all cases.