Question for the Non-Muslims

[Kerr]

but why should you in this case have a reward equal to me, when all my deeds and intentions are to please Allah and obey him unlike your deeds and intentions that are so simply because you deem they are good? a rapist deemd raping as a good deed thats why he does it, so should he be equal to you and me?

we are simply judging our own deeds with our own criteria so how can any deed be bad or wrong in that case?

We are both sitting in the same boat there. Just look at all the fundamentalists who run around blowing themselves up, then look at those that just try and live good lives, both in the name of Allah but they appear to look differently at what pleases him and what don´t. Sorry to say so, but being religious doesn´t have to mean you know anything.

Where I come from, it does not matter who we try to please, it is the actions themselves that matter. Fact is I believe it is better not to try and please anyone, but actually do the good deeds to be, well, good.

i believe in him, and the only thing i could say to you is, on the day of judgement all will be revealed.

And I can say the same to you, even though it would not be according to my faith it would most definatly be according to someone elses.

 

[Kerr]

the people that would get sent to hell or paradise are sent there due to their actions, it's like what you plant in the planting season thats what you will harvest in the harvesting season. taking into account that the intention to do something is more important than the deed.

Allah Accepts Deeds That Are Only For Him
It is related by Umar Ibn al-Khattab (رضى الله تعالى عنه ) that he heard the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم ) say:
The actions are but judged according to intentions; and to every man is due what he intended. Thus, whosoever migrates for the sake of Allah (SWT) and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم ) (and there is no other motive of his migration except compliance with the commands of Allah (SWT) and his Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم ) and winning of their good pleasure), his migration is accounted for the sake of Allah and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم ) (and doubtlessly, he is to true Muhajir- Emigrant- and shall receive the recompense prescribed for Hijrat-Migration-towards Allah and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم )); and whosoever migrates for the sake of this world or to wed a woman (his migration will not be for Allah and the Prophet [صلى الله عليه وسلم ]), and will be accounted only for the purpose for which it is intended. (Bukhari and Muslim)
Commentary:
The Main purpose of the Hadith is to Show that the goodness or badness and acceptability or otherwise of all human actions is dependant on intention.
Or, in other words, only such deeds will be deemed good and carry merit in the sight of Allah (SWT) which is done with a good and virtues intention and a good deed noble and meritorious; on the contrary, it will held to be wicked and detestable according to the intention which motivated it through, apparently, it may be good and praiseworthy.
To summarise, Allah (SWT) judges the worth and value of a deed by the motive with which it is performed.

So a man who tries to please Allah and helps a lady over the street has more worth in his action then another man who is an atheist who runs into a burning school, and sarcifice his life to save the children?

 

[gnostic]

thats not what islam says. this life is temporary, but the next is eternal. it is kind of ironic that most people choose this temporary world over an eternal world. i myself can't understand that.

Personally I don't want eternal life, whether it be in heaven or in hell. Neither hold any appeal to me.

One life time is enough for me, so I don't want to live another life, especially if that's life is meaningless, like heaven. A meaningless eternal life would be hell for me.

Tell me, eselam. Why do you want to live in heaven? What do you do with eternal life?

Is it supposedly 70 virgins that you could copulate with?

The Islamic teaching of reward of 70 virgins, sounds like just a pervert fantasy of sick backward men. Meaningless reward.

I would become quickly bored if I had to live to my hundred years in this life...that if I don't fall into dementia. But an eternity? It would be hell, to be bored for all eternity.

 

[Smoke]

Q: why do you care if Allah was to send you to hell?

I don't care in the least, since I don't believe in hell and I don't believe in Allah.

However, if I were god, and I were the kind of petty, mean god like the Allah described in your quotes, who sends people to hell for trifles, the first people I would send to hell would be the people who believe that crap.

 

[Venatoris]

I have a question about the whole 72 virgins thing. I admit that I don't know if this is truly what Islam promises to martyrs but I have done the math. Average sexual duration for a man is somewhere between 3 minutes to an hour. This means that for giving up your life you will get somewhere between 3.6 hours to 3 full days of sexual gratification as a reward. Is that really worth it considering you will be dead for eternity? Let's say you only deflower one virgin a day, what will you do from day 73 of your afterlife forward?

 

[McBell]

well this life is a test, so at the end of the test everyone must get their results.

A test of what, for who?
Why would an all knowing deity put us to a test?
I mean, he already knows how miserably everyone will fail his little charade...

 

[McBell]

I have a question about the whole 72 virgins thing. I admit that I don't know if this is truly what Islam promises to martyrs but I have done the math. Average sexual duration for a man is somewhere between 3 minutes to an hour. This means that for giving up your life you will get somewhere between 3.6 hours to 3 full days of sexual gratification as a reward. Is that really worth it considering you will be dead for eternity? Let's say you only deflower one virgin a day, what will you do from day 73 of your afterlife forward?

Ben Laden's Paradise, 72 Virginians






:run:

 

[Gharib]

A test of what, for who?
Why would an all knowing deity put us to a test?
I mean, he already knows how miserably everyone will fail his little charade...

correct, but unlike the angels we humans have free will, we question an order, that is a human thing, so if god created you and put you straight to hell won't you ever feel that he is unjust without ever giving you a chance? i would feel that he is unjust, if he has given me the option to choose for myself but then he says i know everything so i know the outcome and this is it i would call that injustice. wouldn't you?

 

[Gharib]

but the punishment in hell is forever while it is not same here, why amount of punishment differs for the same sin ?

see if the following link helps you

Questions on Islam | Why is the punishment of unbelieving in Allah is staying in Hell forever?

 

[McBell]

correct, but unlike the angels we humans have free will, we question an order, that is a human thing, so if god created you and put you straight to hell won't you ever feel that he is unjust without ever giving you a chance? i would feel that he is unjust, if he has given me the option to choose for myself but then he says i know everything so i know the outcome and this is it i would call that injustice. wouldn't you?

LOL

What difference does it make what I think?
I mean even now, it matters not what I think, what I do, what my intentions are, etc.
If I do not bow down and worship this particular tyrant, if I do not jump through the hoops he set up, if I do not think and believe what he wants, then I go straight to hell for all eternity.

I freely choose to spit in the face of the tyrant that you paint.

 

[Gharib]

LOL

What difference does it make what I think?
I mean even now, it matters not what I think, what I do, what my intentions are, etc.
If I do not bow down and worship this particular tyrant, if I do not jump through the hoops he set up, if I do not think and believe what he wants, then I go straight to hell for all eternity.

I freely choose to spit in the face of the tyrant that you paint.

see, now you tell me why shouldn't Allah send you to hell after rejecting him for no reason while you have no right to do so. you in this case are being unjust.

and i have not said anything about Allah, why do you accuse me of false things?

you do not like tyrants and here we are, you live under a government that says you must be jailed for crossing over a red light. i think you've confused the meaning of the word tyrant, but i'll let you to it.

 

[McBell]

see, now you tell me why shouldn't Allah send you to hell after rejecting him for no reason while you have no right to do so. you in this case are being unjust.

I don't have the right to reject him?
Is that what you said?
says who?
Allah?
You?

Ask me if a give a crickets fart what Allah or you think.

So much for your free will speech, eh?

and i have not said anything about Allah, why do you accuse me of false things?

I never once said the word 'Allah"
I said the tyrant that you paint.
Your equation of the tyrant you paint to Allah is all on you.
Not me.

you do not like tyrants and here we are, you live under a government that says you must be jailed for crossing over a red light. i think you've confused the meaning of the word tyrant, but i'll let you to it.

I think you are the one who is confused.
I have ran many red lights in my time and have not once been put into jail for it.

I am well aware of the definition of tyrant.
and that is exactly what you paint, a tyrant.
Your denial of your painting is also on you.
Not me.

 

[Gharib]

I don't have the right to reject him?
Is that what you said?
says who?
Allah?
You?

no you don't, he created you so to him you shall return. and even though you are being unjust Allah still will forgive you if you ever repent.

Ask me if a give a crickets fart what Allah or you think.
So much for your free will speech, eh?

you can keep the fart, thats not a problem lets not dispute over it. the free will is still there, why do you make it look like we have no free will?

I never once said the word 'Allah"
I said the tyrant that you paint.
Your equation of the tyrant you paint to Allah is all on you.
Not me.

i have never said anything about no tyrant, so why do you accuse me of false sayings?

I think you are the one who is confused.I have ran many red lights in my time and have not once been put into jail for it.

good for you.

I am well aware of the definition of tyrant.
and that is exactly what you paint, a tyrant.
Your denial of your painting is also on you.
Not me.

i have never said anything, you are speaking false about me.

 

[Venatoris]

see, now you tell me why shouldn't Allah send you to hell after rejecting him for no reason while you have no right to do so. you in this case are being unjust.

Disagreeing with the rules seems like a fairly good reason to reject a certain concept of a supreme being, wouldn't you say?

and i have not said anything about Allah, why do you accuse me of false things?

So you didn't say that a good person will go to hell simply because they don't believe in Allah?

you do not like tyrants and here we are, you live under a government that says you must be jailed for crossing over a red light. i think you've confused the meaning of the word tyrant, but i'll let you to it.

Personally, I don't run a red light because if I do, I run the risk of ******* killing myself and others. A tyrant dictates to the masses,traffic laws are dictated by the masses for the safety of everyone.
Where's your head at? :slap:

 

[Venatoris]

i have never said anything about no tyrant, so why do you accuse me of false sayings?

I assume the double negative in this sentence is lost on you.

 

[Gharib]

Disagreeing with the rules seems like a fairly good reason to reject a certain concept of a supreme being, wouldn't you say?

you are free to do that. you have been given a choice to choose.

So you didn't say that a good person will go to hell simply because they don't believe in Allah?

never said that.

Personally, I don't run a red light because if I do, I run the risk of ******* killing myself and others. A tyrant dictates to the masses,traffic laws are dictated by the masses for the safety of everyone.
Where's your head at? :slap:

all the laws of Allah are for the best interest of humans, why would Allah says submit yourself to me in order that you may escape the hell fire if it wasn't for our good? why would he forbi alcohol if it wasn't for our best interest, isn't man the one who gets drunk and kills many people be it through drink driving or other ways?

 

[McBell]

no you don't, he created you so to him you shall return. and even though you are being unjust Allah still will forgive you if you ever repent.

See, this is where you are so sadly mistaken.
Now I understand that you can not grasp the concept, but the fact is, you are mistaken.

And I will never repent to any deity so desperate for attention that it has to use the threat of hell to gain followers.

you can keep the fart, thats not a problem lets not dispute over it. the free will is still there, why do you make it look like we have no free will?

That is the picture you painted.
I merely called it for what I see it as.

i have never said anything, you are speaking false about me.

if that is your position, then so be it.
But your denial does not change the facts.

 

[JustWondering]

Hardly just.

Why does God have to be fair or reasonable? Compared to God we are like bacteria. Are you fair and just with bacteria?

 

[Gharib]

Why does God have to be fair or reasonable? Compared to God we are like bacteria. Are you fair and just with bacteria?

we did not create bacteria and we are not limitless beings. god is limitless and all powerfull if he can't be just then whats the point of life?

 

[McBell]

Why does God have to be fair or reasonable? Compared to God we are like bacteria. Are you fair and just with bacteria?

I have lost counted of just how just and powerful and all knowing and merciful and righteous and correct that those who claim to know him paint him to be.