Just a few questios. Would you consider existence an imperiical data? Do you reason that theist are a manorin ther world view? Theist thinkinng works for Western Ciivial.,but where has atheistic reasonindgg ever worked as well? The answer to these queestions should add to your imperica data!As I said, it is certainly possible. At this point though, we don't know.
I think you will find this talk by Richard Dawkins interesting.
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YouTube - Richard Dawkins on our "queer" universe
Well, I am going by what you and others have told me, and by your descriptions they match the experiences documented while using the 'god helmet' quite accurately.
Oh, I certainly see that as a possibility, and I know theists like that. While I have no data to back this assumption up it seems as is if they are in a minority.
No, but I don't make a habit of believing in things just because they are convenient, comforting or even practical. I want to know how it works and I care a great deal about keeping my view of reality free of concepts that has no empirical backing.
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Question for Theists
- Thread starter jarofthoughts
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jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
I'm sorry and I don't mean to be rude, but your English is not good. I'm having problems understanding what you mean and it seems as if it would be a valid question so I would love to reply to it, but I want to be sure what you're trying to say first.
The Wizard
Active Member
Would you like to elaborate on that assertion? I don't see how religion or beliefs in God have anything to do with fairies, Santa and crystal healing. You seem to be just attempting to "belittle" and lump sum things into one pile because belief is involved, in which you can then call all meaningless to suit yourself and others. Am I right?
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Do you indulge in pleasure in any form?
Why do you comb your hair in the mirror?
God is that thing in ones life that is preferred above all else.
Thanks
Oh, I had game. I just felt the need to retire from the game.
To each his own.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Because were all the same, and I know me.
You agree that there are phonies in every walk of life do you not?
What purpose does pleasure serve in your life?
Thanks
If the rain dance makes it rain then I'd say tghe rain dance worked.Are you sure you were doing it right?
Most religions are completely unsatisfying. Most religious people are in a delusional state of imagined fellowship with their creator. They have convinced themselves that all is well between them and God when in reality they fell rejected by God at varying degrees.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Unless I am reading you wrong (I could be) your argument in favour of belief can be summed up like this:
A person believes -> That belief affects that persons view of reality -> Their view of reality affects how they interact with the world around them.
Is this a fair representation?
If so, then that means that according to your argument it doesn't matter what one believes in, nor does it matter if that belief is grounded in truth on any level.
And that puts god on the same level as faeries and Santa.
My personal stance on the matter is that belief without objective evidence is all the same. It doesn't matter what that belief is about, be it gods, faeries, crystal healing, Scientology or homoeopathy. It is all equal and it all amounts to blind faith, and I don't think blind faith in anything is a good thing.
Does that answer your question?
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Seems your statistical base is a little scant...
Sure, but that is beside the point.
Pleasure, like all feelings, is the result of electrochemical reactions in my brain and they have evolved to promote those things that help me survive and procreate, which is why some of the things that most consistently release dopamine and endorphins is having sex and eating.
Each to his own I suppose. If believing that there is a god makes you happy, then have at it. But that is no grounds for claiming that your belief is true.
Perhaps. I, on the other hand, think that none of the religions and none of the believers have adequately grounded their view of reality in evidence.
And you didn't answer my question.
chinu
chinu
Who says that i am in Believes, I am just working for my Salvation,
So, what can i do if people are forcefully connecting me with Believes.
_/\_ Chinu.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Who says that i am in Believes, I am just working for my Salvation,
So, what can i do if people are forcefully connecting me with Believes.
_/\_ Chinu.
What? :sarcastic
chinu
chinu
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
chinu
chinu
I genuinely didn't understand what you were trying to say.
Its not your fault,
Wait for the right time to come
_/\_ Chinu.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Its not your fault,
Wait for the right time to come
_/\_ Chinu.
Ah. The old "I'm so mysterious" routine.
Well, that's of no use to anyone, not to mention awfully pretentious.
chinu
chinu
For this you have to walk Alone,Two are also considred as rush for this.
Above is the reason for this.
_/\_Chinu.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
It makes about as much sense as an entire universe that just happens to be life supporting creating itself from nothing.
Its not so much a conclusion that a God or perhaps a very very powerful entity of some kind exists outside and unbounded by the universe more a possibility.
After all we can manipulate the fundamental layers of matter with our feeble technology...who says this entire universe was not an artificial (intelligent) creation of some vaster intellect?
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
That is not exactly an accurate description of how cosmology views the origin of the universe...
With that kind of reasoning we might as well opt for the matrix hypothesis.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
For this you have to walk Alone,Two are also considred as rush for this.
Above is the reason for this.
_/\_Chinu.
More nonsensical mumbo jumbo.
Let me know when you feel like having an actual discussion.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Did you evolve into something other than human then?
So you agree that there are phonies in every walk of life, but when we talk about phony Christians you say there is no such thing. Quite contradictory.
So you need pleasure to help you survive? So then you are incomplete without pleasure right? You said you were not searching for completeness, but then you said you use pleasure to find completeness. Your confusing me.
I need god like you need pleasure. Sounds like pleasure is your god.
For someone that relies on science, you sure are abandoning it to make unproven speculations.Perhaps. I, on the other hand, think that none of the religions and none of the believers have adequately grounded their view of reality in evidence.
And you didn't answer my question.
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I am sorry for my poor English. I did not realize how poor it was until I just read my post I was at the dialysis center where I had to use the key board with all kinds of tubes and cuffs on my arms. I punched in my message with a pencil and thought it was better than it was. Thank you for your kindness.I'm sorry and I don't mean to be rude, but your English is not good. I'm having problems understanding what you mean and it seems as if it would be a valid question so I would love to reply to it, but I want to be sure what you're trying to say first.
Do you consider "existence" by itself as empirical data. I am of course referring to the ontological argument for God and existence. Also, how do you consider the theist position to be a minority position in the world? That does not ring true to me. If I misunderstand your position, I am sure you will enlighten me. and last. theist reasoning has worked well for Western Civilization but where has atheist reasoning ever worked well in any other?
I hope you find this a little better of a questioning.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Not to my knowledge, but assuming that every human, is like just you seems a little presumptuous. Sure we share many things, but your concept of searching for "completeness", whatever that is, does not appear to be one of them.
I don't recall saying that there are no phony Christians... :no:
What's this obsession with "completeness"?
I think you need to define that term for me before we continue this.
Pleasure, simplified, is nature's way of getting us to do stuff that in the end helps spreading our genes.
So you don't need pleasure?
Also, I don't worship pleasure or connect anything supernatural to it.
Which is really the crux of this matter.
Errr... No. I never said that there is not or cannot be a god. I said that the case for it is severely lacking and in need of some serious evidence before I'll consider including it into my view of reality.
Oh, and stop assuming things from what I say. If something is unclear feel free to ask. Cause right now it seems as if you are way off the mark.