Father Heathen
Veteran Member
There isn't one. It's nothing more than manufactured controversy and fear mongering. It's a political ploy to distract witless bumpkins from real issues.
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Question to anyone... But mainly to female transgenders
- Thread starter We Never Know
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Sounds about right to me
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Glad I'm not the only one feels that way.
We Never Know
No Slack
Actually this thread was made many hours before that but if you want to tie it to that, that's your prerogative.
It seems some cisfemales are bothered by transgender females using the female bathroom so I was curious of it would be a problem if males started using that same bathroom.
I'm sure some are. I'm sure some cis het women are also bothered by cis lesbians. And some cis het men bothered by cis gay men. But whether the discomfiture is prejudicial is another matter entirely.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As was made clear by context that's not the first time we've went round.
Keep me company again tonight? It was just so good last night I want you to pleasure me again. You kept me up aalll niight looong. LMAO.
Oh, and "transgenders" isn't a word, yet again.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
But Ive been around the sun a few dozen times.
(I promise that one is directed at me. I sometimes still say gays)
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
Sometimes I'll go "the gays" (trademark).
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yup. I know the yungins don't say it, but I'm not a youngin and I did grow up in the land time forgot.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Trolls, agitators, radical trans activists, poseurs, and untreated mental illnesses. This wasn't a problem when transgender referred to people who actually have gender dysphoria to the degree that medical transitioning was necessary to feel comfortable in their own skin and resulted in them successfully presenting as their desired gender. Back then, a transwoman (or transman) would go about their day and no one was the wiser and they certainly didn't make a point of letting people know they're transgender.
This current discord has all come about since the trans community has been infiltrated by ideology and morphed into a political movement. Now, you don't need dysphoria to be trans, much less be on cross-sex hormones or make any effort to present as the gender you're claiming. Hell, you don't even need to feel male or female despite that being the crux of wanting to transition. And if anyone says anything, just scream bigotry. Social media fuels this since we're in the era of narcissism and clicks. There is no shortage of people online who are obviously male causing a ruckus because they were "misgendered" or someone had a problem with a burly man entering women's bathrooms.
This video gives a good overview: (warning: language)
Yes, that describes me on both accounts. The other types baffle me, personally. I don't understand why you would want everyone to know. In my daily life, it's mostly a private matter. However I do understand that some people will never pass or blend in, even with surgery (like Jenner; it will always be obvious that she's trans), and so the "trans community", "trans pride" and viewing it as an identity may be more of a refuge for those folks.
I know the trans medicalists hate it when I post this video, but this is a perspective from years ago by a trans woman who criticizes passing standards, gatekeeping trans identities based on level of pain, or even having a set binary on what it means to be trans.
It's deep into the various 'in-house' debates, but at least sheds some light on the complicated nuance of who is bad faith and who is genuine but not as binary as some trans people with intense dysphoria would like.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Because "trans" no longer pertains to a bona fide health issue and has been hijacked for an ideology that doesn't even make sense. It's no longer about recognizing that transgender people are a segment of society but using that as a license by opportunists to demand special treatment and, quite frankly, cause strife. Some people just want to see the world burn and will seize on any means to do so.
Ultimately, the people who will suffer the most from all this are actual trans people and the unfortunate detransitioners who were never properly diagnosed and treated. All of these grifters and poseurs will walk away largely unscathed; or rather, step over the bodies of trans persons and detrans persons that end up as collateral damage as they walk away.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
When was this?
It's actually always been an umbrella term, as has transgender. The only thing that's really changed is those who aren't medically transitioning being more visible.
Transexual has been yhr term to refer specifically to those who medically transition. Originally it was trnasvestite.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Prior to the current wave of activism and sociopolitical turmoil of the past few years.
If things had always been this way there wouldn't be the chaos we're witnessing now.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's just not true. Trans people have long been visible and targeted. And, yes, people knew, tbey talked ****, they got violent, they still discriminated.
The only reason we have the chaos we do right now is because Conservatives don't like sharing society. No different tham the chaos over abortion and gay rights that also lies solely at their feet.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Sometimes trans people have been visible and sometimes that may have led to discrimination. You're talking about a very tiny, tiny percentage of the population. Prior to the recent scene, trans persons were rarely known by the overwhelming majority of the population, with little visibility within society. And even then, they often passed just fine and/or deliberately chose a lifestyle that allowed them to live comfortably and with minimal hassle.
No, we have chaos because of the radical trans activism that is going on, it's turned (supposedly) being transgender into a cause and an excuse that only hurts people for whom being transgender is an actuality. Most of the population is not conservative and yet there is a growing resistance and resentment toward trans causes, which means more than and other than just conservatives. That means independents, centrists, and liberals who only go left so far. People who consider themselves socially liberal who can't get on board with the extremism.
This is different than abortion and gay rights. Neither of those issues demands others change how they go about things, they don't seek to change spaces or language. When LGB fought for same-sex marriage, the message was "this isn't about you, doesn't affect you, doesn't require you to practice your religion differently, it has zero impact on heterosexual marriages, this is about us being entitled to the same rights as any other committed couple like having next-of-kin rights, survivor benefits and so on... that doesn't impact your life in any way". Whereas look at the recurring issues within trans politics.