Question to anyone... But mainly to female transgenders

[We Never Know]

It seems more like you're struggling with that as you aren't being this zealous regarding procedures with much higher rates of regrets and.complications.

As I keep saying you're clueless and need to improve your reading comprehension skills.

Good grief!!!

Anyone with any sense knows any medical procedures or medication can not only have negative effects, its not fool proof.

""I also was a kid that started on hormones at a young age. 8"

What part of that and/or what part of their post tells their sex/gender, diagnosis, problems or reason or anything else besides ""I also was a kid that started on hormones at a young age. 8".

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I have a question for the OP:

How do you still not understand that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The study says "88 percent of boys with gender dysphoria were found to have desisted by their teens or adulthood (and more than 63 percent were same-sex attracted)."

As I've said twice now, the study doesn't say that they stopped havubg gender dysphoria, only that they desisted treatment. And not permanently, and I'm an example, along with many others, who stopped hormone treatment and then restarted at a later date.

The study even says that because the study was so long ago, (the late 80's!) The kids were not often given the choice to explore gender affirming care, and the goal of treatmenr was to reinforce 'proper' gendered behavior and 'correct' homosexuality. So it'd be no wonder their 'eggs' hatched much later.

I assumed you were trans by "I also was a kid that started on hormones at a young age. 8".

My appoligies.

Yeah, hormone treatment isn't a trans only thing. It's done for a lot of kids for physiological and psychological reasons (and where those reasons frequently overlap.) As many as one in ten women go on hormone treatment as minors.

 

[We Never Know]

As I've said twice now, the study doesn't say that they stopped havubg gender dysphoria, only that they desisted treatment. And not permanently, and I'm an example, along with many others, who stopped hormone treatment and then restarted at a later date.

The study even says that because the study was so long ago, (the late 80's!) The kids were not often given the choice to explore gender affirming care, and the goal of treatmenr was to reinforce 'proper' gendered behavior and 'correct' homosexuality. So it'd be no wonder their 'eggs' hatched much later.

Yeah, hormone treatment isn't a trans only thing. It's done for a lot of kids for physiological and psychological reasons (and where those reasons frequently overlap.) As many as one in ten women go on hormone treatment as minors.

"hormone treatment isn't a trans only thing"

Of course, but when trans is the center of discussion and you talk about going on hormone therapy.... it would lead one to think your were.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

"hormone treatment isn't a trans only thing"

Of course, but when trans is the center of discussion and you talk about going on hormone therapy.... it would lead one to think your were.

I have said many times here that I talk about my experiences with gender affirming healthcare as it relates to trans experience because a lot of cis people don't seem to understand that things like puberty blockers, T and E were not made for or used mostly by trans people. That it's something millions of people, including cis kids, use to improve their life and health. Cis people talking about gender affirming care helps destigmatize this as something we need to be worried about, like it's new or unstudied. It's neither.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anyone with any sense knows any medical procedures or medication can not only have negative effects, its not fool proof.

It's your scope of focus.

What part of that and/or what part of their post tells their sex/gender, diagnosis, problems or reason or anything else besides ""I also was a kid that started on hormones at a young age. 8".

It wasn't that post but a few posts in this thread and others that explain things. She's said whats going on. You, as you've done with me multiple times, just ignored what she really said and instead reached a boneheaded conclusion that is entirely independent of the info you have been provided.

 

[SomeRandom]

Good grief!!!

Anyone with any sense knows any medical procedures or medication can not only have negative effects, its not fool proof.

""I also was a kid that started on hormones at a young age. 8"

What part of that and/or what part of their post tells their sex/gender, diagnosis, problems or reason or anything else besides ""I also was a kid that started on hormones at a young age. 8".

Whilst that is true. I do notice that no one is arguing against every other surgery performed that have higher rates of regret, which there are a hell of lot of. And this even includes surgeries performed on minors. Circumcision anyone?
And believe you me, I’ve known plenty of men who complain about their own “procedures” and how they were denied a real say about their own body
I think there are even advocacy groups that appeared as a response


So why is this allowed and at the moment there are like hundreds of laws fumbling over themselves about gender affirming care?
(Please note that I do not actually support sex change surgery for minors, except for medical necessity. Just want that to be made clear.)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Whilst that is true. I do notice that no one is arguing against every other surgery performed that have higher rates of regret, which there are a hell of lot of. And this even includes surgeries performed on minors. Circumcision anyone?
And believe you me, I’ve known plenty of men who complain about their own “procedures” and how they were denied a real say about their own body
I think there are even advocacy groups that appeared as a response

Male circumcision, forced sex change surgery on intersexed people, why don't they focus on those where regret can be high, consent of the individual is entirely absent, and irreversible mistakes do happen.
Apparently it's ok if you unnecessarily hack up your baby boy's penis but a no go for a doctor to even think of anything that the patient is seeking and qualifies for treatment if they think the penis is even remotely involved.

 

[SomeRandom]

Male circumcision, forced sex change surgery on intersexed people, why don't they focus on those where regret can be high, consent of the individual is entirely absent, and irreversible mistakes do happen.
Apparently it's ok if you unnecessarily hack up your baby boy's penis but a no go for a doctor to even think of anything that the patient is seeking and qualifies for treatment if they think the penis is even remotely involved.

That….is a valid point.
Circumcision is a surgery that is unalterable, it is for life and it is done at an age where consent (even common consent) is below the legal threshold.
Yet I see none of this supposed “for the minors” advocacy against it. Very telling

I know there are now groups advocating against the surgery performed for those with intersex conditions, due to the surgeries being typically performed at birth. With its medical necessity being argued against. Which is kind of interesting, ngl

This might be due to me coming from a country where medical fees are a second thought a lot of the time (universal healthcare) so I don’t know.
It didn’t occur to me that the folks upset at these surgeries performed upon them have the financial burden on top of it. Like here you could probably con your way onto some tax plan that pays for at least some of your medical treatment. If you can convince our medical system lol
So money being an issue on top of everything never occurred to me
But it is an issue for folks to contend with, nonetheless