Question to anyone... But mainly to female transgenders

[ADigitalArtist]

Firstly, I'm not an ally

That's clear.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why don't you present the hard data then? When were there rampant cases of detransitioners? 50 years ago? 30? 15?

As I said, "any amount is one too many and shows there is a problem not being addressed."

So, you clearly don't know nearly as much as your trying to claim.
How high? It was so high in the past that John Hopkins ended their program due to too many bad outcomes. The number of bad outcomes is whythe Standards of Care were establsihed in he first place.

 

[Callisto]

That's clear.

Then why accuse me of it?

Funny, how you employ all the typical tactics of someone steeped in propaganda. If someone hasn't drunk your brand of kool-aid then they must be the enemy. THanks for proving my point.

 

[Callisto]

So, you clearly don't know nearly as much as your trying to claim.
How high? It was so high in the past that John Hopkins ended their program due to too many bad outcomes. The number of bad outcomes is whythe Standards of Care were establsihed in he first place.

Where did you come up with that idiotic conclusion? There hasn't been a long enough history of detransitioners, they are a fairly recent phenomenon. And due to the harassment and marginalizing within the trans community, it's hard to get precise number as they are silenced and ostracized, many keep to themselves instead of going public and not all research has used the same methods.

It's amazing how you want to invalidate the existence of detransitioners and try to mask it as "propaganda". smh

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Then why accuse me of it?

Funny, how you employ all the typical tactics of someone steeped in propaganda. If someone hasn't drunk your brand of kool-aid then they must be the enemy. THanks for proving my point.

Because you pretend to care about detrans when you don't. You're just using them to further a specific gatekeepy agenda. Despite that most detrans, which you claim to be 'saying what they say' do not regret and do not stop transition because they're not trans. Which tells me you only look into very biased interviews from sources that suit your agenda, rather than listening to as many detrans from as many sources as possible.

Did you even know about detrans who identify as such because they're intersex and are transitioning away from their surgically assigned sex? Or about those who stopped transition due to hormone conflict with cancer treatments or other health events? Or who stopped and then restarted because of a major move or pregnancy?

Or does your "research" start and stop with less than half of the 1% who detransition due to not being trans?

When gender affirming care has even half the regret rate as rhinoplasty or knee surgery, we can talk about restrictions. Until then, I'll say what I've always said, destigmatize gender affirming care including mental healthcare, hormone and surgical care for both trans and cis and make it supremely accessible to both groups.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Where did you come up with that idiotic conclusion?

It's called history.

There hasn't been a long enough history of detransitioners, they are a fairly recent phenomenon.

How long do you think people have been transitioning? Medically or otherwise?

It's amazing how you want to invalidate the existence of detransitioners and try to mask it as "propaganda". smh

I'm not. I'm putting it in perspective. I know the history you don't. Seriously, the reason there are so few today is because in the past medical practitioners amd researchers saw a crisis. And because of that the Standards of Care was developed. It's still in use today and regularily updated.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because you pretend to care about detrans when you don't. You're just using them to further a specific gatekeepy agenda. Despite that most detrans, which you claim to be 'saying what they say' do not regret and do not stop transition because they're not trans. Which tells me you only look into very biased interviews from sources that suit your agenda, rather than listening to as many detrans from as many sources as possible.

Did you even know about detrans who identify as such because they're intersex and are transitioning away from their surgically assigned sex? Or about thise who stopped transition due to hormone conflict with cancer treatments or other health events? Or who stopped and then restarted because of a major move or pregnancy?

Or does your "research" start and stop with less than half of the 1% who detransition?

When gender affirming care has even half the regret rate as rhinoplasty or knee surgery, we can talk about restrictions. Until then, I'll say what I've always said, destigmatize gender affirming care including mental healthcare, hormone and surgical care for both trans and cis and make it supremely accessible to both groups.

True story, I actually regret my last knee surgery. It didn't really accomplish anything and I got to be on crutches, again, juat to end up back where I was. And in truth the surgeon who did it probably could have considered my history more and more weigh the long term results. It's not like it was a new problem and I hadn't already had three. But we're all human, amd I still long for the day someone will straighten my shins.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

True story, I actually regret my last knee surgery. It didn't really accomplish anything and I got to be on crutches, again, juat to end up back where I was. And in truth the surgeon who did it probably could have considered my history more and more weigh the long term results. It's not like it was a new problem and I hadn't already had three. But we're all human, amd I still long for the day someone will straighten my shins.

Yeah, compared to bottom surgery, knee surgery has a very high rate of complication and regret. Something like 30% compared to 1-2%. Hip and shoulder surgery as well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, compared to bottom surgery, knee surgery has a very high rate of complication and regret. Something like 30% compared to 1-2%. Hip and shoulder surgery as well.

And of course not a peep abkut from this group pretending to be concerned. It's like I say, little Johnny can be anything in the world and generally expect to be applauded-- even if it's something as high risk as playing football--execpt if it turns out Johnny is trans and comes out as Sussy. Then there's lots of opposition, doubts, and insistence she just can't know that.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And of course not a peep abkut from this group pretending to be concerned. It's like I say, little Johnny can be anything in the world and generally expect to be applauded-- even if it's something as high risk as playing football--execpt if it turns out Johnny is trans and comes out as Sussy. Then there's lots of opposition, doubts, and insistence she just can't know that.

Yep, the outcry if some public official were to say that contact sports is a bigger risk to kids and adults than gender affirming care. Whew. Can you imagine?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yep, the outcry if some public official were to say that contact sports is a bigger risk to kids and adults than gender affirming care. Whew. Can you imagine?

We know the NFL doesn't like doctors connecting those dots.

 

[We Never Know]

Then why accuse me of it?

Funny, how you employ all the typical tactics of someone steeped in propaganda. If someone hasn't drunk your brand of kool-aid then they must be the enemy. THanks for proving my point.

Exactly! I'm just a bystander in it all not cheering for either side therefore I am the enemy lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Exactly! I'm just a bystander in it all not cheering for either side therefore I am the enemy lol

That's not what your post history says.

 

[We Never Know]

That's not what your post history says.

My post history says I think one should use the bathroom they are plumbed for. That's me
My post history says bathrooms need to be unisex with closet stalls.

Am I out pushing and/or out fighting for either, nope.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Firstly, I'm not an ally for this or any other group.

Good, thank you. We don't need any more "allies". When it comes to many of them, the saying about "with friends like these, who needs enemies?" comes to mind. A lot of these people are narcissistic, with a condescending attitude towards "minorities", whom they infantalize and treat as helpless children who needs saving because our lives must be constantly threatened. Or push certain ideological views as if that represents all of us. Then a lot of them talk over members of these groups, as if they know more about how it's like than people who are actually part of those communities. I've gotten this with LGBT stuff and black issues, when it comes to "allies".

So again, thank you for not being an "ally".

 

[metis]

In france a lot of public toilets are unisex. I don't see a problem

Yep, and I've run across this also in Scandinavia and Quebec.

 

[metis]

For the record, 99.9999999999999% I don't do #2 in a public restroom

I don't like to do #2 because I can't stand to hear the screams and the stampede.

One time I had to right after a class at college, and I had an intestinal attack of a nuclear nature, and the guy in the stall next to me started laughing his butt off and asked me to flush as a courtesy. It wasn't pleasant for either of us.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't like to do #2 because I can't stand to hear the screams and the stampede.

One time I had to right after a class at college, and I had an intestinal attack of a nuclear nature, and the guy in the stall next to me started laughing his butt off and asked me to flush as a courtesy. It wasn't pleasant for either of us.

Reminds me of this joke....

While on vacation traveling across country mother nature called so I decided to stop at one of those rest areas on the side of the road.

I went into the washroom. The first stall was taken, so I went into the second stall. I had just sat down when I heard a voice from the other stall.

"Hi there, how is it going?"

I am not the type to strike up conversations with strangers while sitting on the john in restrooms on the side of the road. I didn't know what to do, but finally I said, "Not bad"

Then the voice said, "So, what are you doing?"

At this point, I was starting to find the situation a bit weird, but I said, "Well, I'm just one vacation headed across tge country."

Then the voice said, "You want some company?"

I was very suprised and a little worried about that but replied "No. I'm a little busy right now"

Then I heard the person say, "Look, I'll call you back. Every time I ask you a question, the idiot in the next stall keeps answering me!!!"

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My post history says I think one should use the bathroom they are plumbed for. That's me

Things like cancer and physical trauma means some men aren't "plumbed" for the men's room. That's a horrible argument and beyond mere rudeness and insensitivity.
That's why I said I don't think you've thought that one very well.

My post history says bathrooms need to be unisex with closet stalls.

And that's not the total summary, now is it?

Am I out pushing and/or out fighting for either, nope.

So? I prefer the single occupant restrooms myself. With my IBS I don't have to worry about appearing weird, and from what I've read mom with adult kids they have to take care of love them more than trans people because it gives them the privacy to take care of their kids without starring amd gawking eyes upon them and the **** remarks from people.

 

[Callisto]

Because you pretend to care about detrans when you don't.

So because I don't agree with you 100% that means I don't care? It's that kind of ignorance that is costing the community. But you keep doing you.

You're just using them to further a specific gatekeepy agenda. Despite that most detrans, which you claim to be 'saying what they say' do not regret and do not stop transition because they're not trans. Which tells me you only look into very biased interviews from sources that suit your agenda, rather than listening to as many detrans from as many sources as possible.

What agenda am I putting forth? Where are you stats to prove your assertion about "most detrans"? Is there a database somewhere, are you personally acquainted with every detransitioner? The fact is I stated views that have been expressed by detransitioners and not simply expressing my opinion. Just go on any social media platform and you'll find plenty who state exactly what I've referenced. You're not refuting me, you're denying the reality of what actual persons have endured. The only person showing bias is you. You don't like that there is evidence that contradicts your propaganda and are resorting to the typical demonizing tactics of screaming "bias!" and "transphobe!". So you're calling others of the trans community liars and transphobes. Nice.

Did you even know about detrans who identify as such because they're intersex and are transitioning away from their surgically assigned sex? Or about those who stopped transition due to hormone conflict with cancer treatments or other health events? Or who stopped and then restarted because of a major move or pregnancy?

They're not intersex. Nor do intersex people appreciate being roped into trans issues. Again, not my opinion, but that of those affected by them being pawns in activist propaganda. Again, try listening to actual detransitioners for a change and you'll find out that you're wrong. They tell the reasons I've referenced.

Or does your "research" start and stop with less than half of the 1% who detransition due to not being trans?

Since you deny the reality of their experience it appears you've done no research at all.

When gender affirming care has even half the regret rate as rhinoplasty or knee surgery, we can talk about restrictions. Until then, I'll say what I've always said, destigmatize gender affirming care including mental healthcare, hormone and surgical care for both trans and cis and make it supremely accessible to both groups.

When the current bumper crop of medically transitioned persons have been living trans 10 or more years out, then you can make emphatic declarations.