Question to Bahais. The Maitreya.

[MyM]

Firstly, you are free to see it how you chosse to and may all your choices be great.

Logic and reason tells me that was the future, it was Ah1260, or AD1844

Regards Tony

Can you explain the Quran and Sunnah with your own sources that are not even authenticated? See, this is how mankind goes astray. Everyone has their own way of "explaining". Allah has said himself that he completed it and that means Mohammad pbuh and his teachings are included in that completion and it in Islam, it isn't upon anyone to have a say as to their own opinion when it all has been completed.--this is in the Quran.

\But to each his own and no compulsion so you are free to use your own opinion any way you want.

Good Luck!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Can you explain the Quran and Sunnah with your own sources that are not even authenticated? See, this is how mankind goes astray. Everyone has their own way of "explaining". Allah has said himself that he completed it and that means Mohammad pbuh and his teachings are included in that completion and it in Islam, it isn't upon anyone to have a say as to their own opinion when it all has been completed.--this is in the Quran.

\But to each his own and no compulsion so you are free to use your own opinion any way you want.

Good Luck!

I consider that the Bab and Baha'u'llah are authentic, as they are Messengers of Allah, and the Mesaages given are from Allah.

I also consider that the Jews await the Messiah, that Christians await the return of Christ, the Muslims await Christ and the Mahdi, the Buddhists await the 5th Buddha, some Hindu await the 10th Avata, then also Zoroaster foretold of at least three Messengers that would appear, each approximately 1,000 years apart.

Why, given all that expectation, and the fact that all previous faiths, have not accepted the new faith, will the Muslim be exempt from making the same mistake, does the Quran say that the Muslims will not make that same mistake?

Regards Tony

 

[MyM]

I consider that the Bab and Baha'u'llah are authentic, as they are Messengers of Allah, and the Mesaages given are from Allah.

I also consider that the Jews await the Messiah, that Christians await the return of Christ, the Muslims await Christ and the Mahdi, the Buddhists await the 5th Buddha, some Hindu await the 10th Avata, then also Zoroaster foretold of at least three Messengers that would appear, each approximately 1,000 years apart.

Why, given all that expectation, and the fact that all previous faiths, have not accepted the new faith, will the Muslim be exempt from making the same mistake, does the Quran say that the Muslims will not make that same mistake?

Regards Tony

Simple because Allah does not lie. He said in the Quran that he completed the last message to mankind and none will be after it. Simple

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Simple because Allah does not lie. He said in the Quran that he completed the last message to mankind and none will be after it. Simple

Allah does indeed tests the believers.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The mehdi will come at a time when there are so many injustices and hatred happening. Many Muslims will be fighting, many will gather to fight the disbelievers and many Muslims will also go with the Dajjal. This is stated...and it is given the reason why....they are NOT PRACTICING AND ABIDING BY THE QURAN AND SUNNAH and their imaan (faith) will be very weak and so it will be very easy for them to follow the Ddajjal (anti-christ). It is in the Quran and Sunnah that the mehdi will be uniting so those who believe will be with him, those do not, will not. When the ddajall comes, you are not to go and confront. Stay as far away from him as possible. Eesa alayhi salam will descend at this time. It will be indeed a time of hardship for everyone.

Right. Mahdi comes when there is no guidance in the Mosques. Muslims only call themselves Muslims, but they are far from being a Muslim:

Prophet said:

"Soon nothing will remain of Islam except its name and of Quran except its script … In that day your mosques will be well furnished but your hearts and bodies will have no guidance. At that time the worst people under the sky will be your scholars, strife will originate with them and return to them.” A man stoop up and asked: “Why would this happen O Commander of the Faithful?” He said: “When the knowledge is the worst among you and when immorality spreads even amongst your best people and rule with the lowest amongst you, then the Doomsday will set in.” (Shu’b al-Iman, Hadith 1765)


Do you think, if this time has already come, the Muslims will realize it, and accept it? Or they insist that they are still the best Ummah, the most righteous people?

Do you know why every time a Messenger came, people rejected the Messenger?


The time was already announced by the Prophet:


The Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, said, “When my Community keeps on the right (path), it is going to enjoy an age of one day, and when it does not keep on the right, it will have an age of half a day”. [Al-Bayan, Tafseer of Surat Al-‘Asr]
And a Day is as a thousand years of your reckoning.


Do you think, when a people have lost the guidance from among themselves, they still have the ability to recognize a new Messenger of God?


The prophet said, His ummah will be like Christians and Jews:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?


Do I think, if I show a thousand reason, it really makes a difference to you? No, not really.

Always when a Messenger came, people called Him liar. They always thought the Messenger wants to mislead them from the traditions of their forefathers. But at the end whose loss was it? The people who rejected the Messenger, or the Messenger? Who was the looser?

 

[MyM]

Right. Mahdi comes when there is no guidance in the Mosques. Muslims only call themselves Muslims, but they are far from being a Muslim:

Prophet said:

"Soon nothing will remain of Islam except its name and of Quran except its script … In that day your mosques will be well furnished but your hearts and bodies will have no guidance. At that time the worst people under the sky will be your scholars, strife will originate with them and return to them.” A man stoop up and asked: “Why would this happen O Commander of the Faithful?” He said: “When the knowledge is the worst among you and when immorality spreads even amongst your best people and rule with the lowest amongst you, then the Doomsday will set in.” (Shu’b al-Iman, Hadith 1765)


Do you think, if this time has already come, the Muslims will realize it, and accept it? Or they insist that they are still the best Ummah, the most righteous people?

Do you know why every time a Messenger came, people rejected the Messenger?


The time was already announced by the Prophet:


The Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, said, “When my Community keeps on the right (path), it is going to enjoy an age of one day, and when it does not keep on the right, it will have an age of half a day”. [Al-Bayan, Tafseer of Surat Al-‘Asr]
And a Day is as a thousand years of your reckoning.


Do you think, when a people have lost the guidance from among themselves, they still have the ability to recognize a new Messenger of God?


The prophet said, His ummah will be like Christians and Jews:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?


Do I think, if I show a thousand reason, it really makes a difference to you? No, not really.

Always when a Messenger came, people called Him liar. They always thought the Messenger wants to mislead them from the traditions of their forefathers. But at the end whose loss was it? The people who rejected the Messenger, or the Messenger? Who was the looser?

How is it that you can quote a hadith for the "end times" and then totally misunderstand the mehdi ahadith for the "end times"?

Muslims indeed with go astray no doubt about it. Mohammad pbuh foretold that. We know that many Muslims will go astray and follow the Christians and Jews into their ways, celebrations and ideas. There are plenty of ahadith that talk about what will happen towards the day of judgement IN THE END TIMES and you totally disregard the hadith about the mehdi saying he already has come. Why in the world would you do that? The Mehdi IS for the nearing end times. In ahadith he will be here when Jesus descends from heaven. Plenty of authentic ahadith states that and yet, why does your faith deny it and disregard these ahadith? Who gave your religion that right to do that when it came to Islam? Allah and Mohammad pbuh tell the truth who gives your religion the right to lie about it?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How is it that you can quote a hadith for the "end times" and then totally misunderstand the mehdi ahadith for the "end times"?

Muslims indeed with go astray no doubt about it. Mohammad pbuh foretold that. We know that many Muslims will go astray and follow the Christians and Jews into their ways, celebrations and ideas. There are plenty of ahadith that talk about what will happen towards the day of judgement IN THE END TIMES and you totally disregard the hadith about the mehdi saying he already has come. Why in the world would you do that? The Mehdi IS for the nearing end times. In ahadith he will be here when Jesus descends from heaven. Plenty of authentic ahadith states that and yet, why does your faith deny it and disregard these ahadith? Who gave your religion that right to do that when it came to Islam? Allah and Mohammad pbuh tell the truth who gives your religion the right to lie about it?

Personally I see the answer is simple, it is Allah that sends the Messengers, it is Allah that fulfilled the Covenants.

The complexity is our human condition and in the end it boils down to our willingness to submit to Allah.

That submission involves being willing to forgo everything we once thought was truth, as history has proven that people of the book, that can not let go of past doctrines, are the first to persecute the Messengers of Allah.

The Message of Baha’u’llah is that of unity, peace, Love under One God, Allah. The Great day of the Lord. The Message given has demonstrated how Allah has sent many Messengers, the records starting with Adam and to which Muhammed was the Seal of all the prophecy about the "Great day of the Lord

The year AH1260 was the dawn of a new Cycle in the evolution of humanity, the cycle of fulfillment, which will also see many more Messengers.

Submission of our own view over what Allah has offered is the key to new understanding of past scriptures. We can embrace all those Messages, the Quran with new eyes and new ears. We do not give up Muhammad nor the Quran, we submit, as we do to all of the Messengers given of Allah.

Regards Tony

 

[MyM]

Personally I see the answer is simple, it is Allah that sends the Messengers, it is Allah that fulfilled the Covenants.

The complexity is our human condition and in the end it boils down to our willingness to submit to Allah.

That submission involves being willing to forgo everything we once thought was truth, as history has proven that people of the book, that can not let go of past doctrines, are the first to persecute the Messengers of Allah.

The Message of Baha’u’llah is that of unity, peace, Love under One God, Allah. The Great day of the Lord. The Message given has demonstrated how Allah has sent many Messengers, the records starting with Adam and to which Muhammed was the Seal of all the prophecy about the "Great day of the Lord

The year AH1260 was the dawn of a new Cycle in the evolution of humanity, the cycle of fulfillment, which will also see many more Messengers.

Submission of our own view over what Allah has offered is the key to new understanding of past scriptures. We can embrace all those Messages, the Quran with new eyes and new ears. We do not give up Muhammad nor the Quran, we submit, as we do to all of the Messengers given of Allah.

Regards Tony

It's a simple question though. If all ahadith point authentically to the mehdi coming near the end times and will be here when Eesa alayhi salam descends, what gives you the right to say otherwise when it comes to Islam?

I am not talkin about love and unity and all that stuff. That's everywhere. But Allah already knows all about the past scriptures, and up to now-their contradictions for he already mentions them in the Quran. So, the question remains, who gave your religion the right to change Islam to your thinking?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's a simple question though. If all ahadith point authentically to the mehdi coming near the end times and will be here when Eesa alayhi salam descends, what gives you the right to say otherwise when it comes to Islam?

I have zero rights to interpret the Quran, my reading of it depends upon my submission to Allah and the bounty of Allah's grace and mercy of understanding.

Ahadith I am able to consider in light of the Quran, but they do not take precedence over the Quran. The ahadith to me would be much like how the Muslim view the Bible, some will contain the intent of Allah, some will contain the thoughts of men, that do not fully reflect the light of Allah.

The Bab and Baha'u'llah being Messengers of Allah have that right and guide my thoughts on these topics.

Regards Tony

 

[MyM]

I have zero rights to interpret the Quran, my reading of it depends upon my submission to Allah and the bounty of Allah's grace and mercy of understanding.

Ahadith I am able to consider in light of the Quran, but they do not take precedence over the Quran. The ahadith to me would be much like how the Muslim view the Bible, some will contain the intent of Allah, some will contain the thoughts of men, that do not fully reflect the light of Allah.

The Bab and Baha'u'llah being Messengers of Allah have that right and guide my thoughts on these topics.

Regards Tony

But we as Muslims, are not allowed to interpret when Mohammad pbuh and Allah swt have already made it clear.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But we as Muslims, are not allowed to interpret when Mohammad pbuh and Allah swt have already made it clear.

I see that is what I have offered. It was Allah that has explained the Quran through the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

“Like (a favor which you have already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our verses, and purifying you, and instructing you in scripture and wisdom, and in new knowledge” (Quran, 2: 151)

Regards Tony

 

[MyM]

I see that is what I have offered. It was Allah that has explained the Quran through the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

But they aren't even mentioned in the Quran.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But they aren't even mentioned in the Quran.

The Bab and Baha'u'llah have shown me they were.

“Like (a favor which you have already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our verses, and purifying you, and instructing you in scripture and wisdom, and in new knowledge” (Quran, 2: 151)

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But they aren't even mentioned in the Quran.

I tired to show that, every Time, God promised a Messenger, He did not mention Them explicitly. This is why, although Muhammad was promised in the Torah and Gospel, yet it is not so explicit that everyone is able to see it in the verses of the Bible. Since most Muslims were unable to see where Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible, they came up with this idea that, such verses were removed or were changed.
Likewise, God mentioned the Bab and Baha'u'llah in the Quran. But if I showed you where, surely you reject. So, why should I?

 

[MyM]

I see that is what I have offered. It was Allah that has explained the Quran through the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

“Like (a favor which you have already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our verses, and purifying you, and instructing you in scripture and wisdom, and in new knowledge” (Quran, 2: 151)

Regards Tony

The correct tafsir is Mohammad pbuh not bab or any other.

 

[MyM]

I tired to show that, every Time, God promised a Messenger, He did not mention Them explicitly. This is why, although Muhammad was promised in the Torah and Gospel, yet it is not so explicit that everyone is able to see it in the verses of the Bible. Since most Muslims were unable to see where Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible, they came up with this idea that, such verses were removed or were changed.
Likewise, God mentioned the Bab and Baha'u'llah in the Quran. But if I showed you where, surely you reject. So, why should I?

lol no.... we not all Muslims do that and many don't really care about the Bible at all. But people like me, who was raised on the Bible can see it for what it is. But when you try to mention Bab and Bahullah there is NO MENTION anywhere-no name...if that were the case Allah would have mentioned all throughout the entire Quran. But he didn't. He said mohammad pbuh was the last and he was.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

lol no.... we not all Muslims do that and many don't really care about the Bible at all. But people like me, who was raised on the Bible can see it for what it is. But when you try to mention Bab and Bahullah there is NO MENTION anywhere-no name...if that were the case Allah would have mentioned all throughout the entire Quran. But he didn't. He said mohammad pbuh was the last and he was.

That is why truth is relative. It is relative to our willingness to submit to Allah, over preference to our own will.

It is a daily struggle for us all.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

lol no.... we not all Muslims do that and many don't really care about the Bible at all. But people like me, who was raised on the Bible can see it for what it is. But when you try to mention Bab and Bahullah there is NO MENTION anywhere-no name...if that were the case Allah would have mentioned all throughout the entire Quran. But he didn't. He said mohammad pbuh was the last and he was.

Usually When I ask Muslims, Can you show me where Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible?
They say, the Bible is not the original Book from God.
They seem to think, those verses about Muhammad are removed from Bible.

Then when I ask them, why Allah did not protect the Torah and Gospel so, the Jews and Christians could know Muhammad was promised in their Book, or if I ask them where in Quran Allah says, Torah and Injil got corrupted, they have no answer to these questions
What about you?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

lol no.... we not all Muslims do that and many don't really care about the Bible at all. But people like me, who was raised on the Bible can see it for what it is.

I see it as the 'Word of God', which does indeed foretell of Muhammad and Iman Ali.

Would a Muslim see the Bible as corrupt, if it does indeed have accurate prophecy in regards to Islam?

Knowing this could dramatically change a person's relative truth, both Muslim and Christian.

Regards Tony