Question to Bahais. The Maitreya.

[TransmutingSoul]

over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and they will never accept this book by the bahi' as word of Allah.

I always like it when the word Never is offered.

I have found in life that one should never say never.

What we can consider, is that in the middle of Persia and Islam, in the mid 1800's, many hundreds of thousands of Muslims and many of the most learned imam, including the Shah's own Imam did embrace the Message of the Bab and then Baha'u'llah. They gave their life for this choice.

So it has already been proved that the Messages of the Bab and Baha'u'llah will attract the souls of Muslims.

So lets see what happens when Islam finally begins to practice that "there is no compulsion in religion", one may find Iran and Islam will change dramatically.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yeah. You dont have a choice but to make this kind of statement because your faith is not found in the Qur'an. Create things.

Right, but how do you exactly know God cannot reveal new knowledge after Quran?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and they will never accept this book by the bahi' as word of Allah.

Maybe at some point they do.
It is said in Hadithes that Muslims will not recognize The Mahdi, just the brothers of Joseph did not recognize their brother Joseph at first. Then at the end they recognized Joseph and bowed to Him in adoration. Same is supposed to happen to Muslims. Eventually they will recognize!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Finally. If anyone is a manifestation of God, it will be said in the Qur'an as Gods word. No one has to jump so many hoops. And please dont cut and paste some arabic sentence as if that makes an impact. It doesnt. It makes you look a pretender. Last time you cut and pasted Zahara, and now you are cutting and pasting mazhar. And what is this mazar hak? You think that means manifestations of God?

Cmon mate.

The Injil says, Jesus is Son of God. The Christians had believed Jesus is physically son of God, which was an incorrect interpretation. But that does not mean Allah had not said that Jesus is son of God. He did as it is in the Gospel.
Likewise just because Quran does not include the term Manifestation of God, you cannot say, it had to be in the Quran. You are coming with your own requirements for Allah, as if Allah had to say everything in the Quran.

"And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise." 31:27

Obviously, according to this verse, the words of Allah could not be finished with just Quran!. His words are infinite, and if you think God had said everything in the Quran, you are contradicting this verse.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Its still only talking about God. Simple.

So you are just making something up. "I see" is not what the text says. Its what you wish to impose.

Its not being honest mate. Just a made up apologetic since you have no evidence. Bogus claim.

I offered why I read the Quran differently, as I read it in the light of the explanations given in the Baha'i Writings.

I also see we try to explain those thoughts.

All the best, Regards Tony.

 

[firedragon]

The Injil says, Jesus is Son of God.

Really?? Lol. The tanakh says Ephraim is Son of God. In fact, it says Ephraim was Prototokos. So what? Injeel?? How do you deem that the Gospel of John is Injeel? Who told you that? Did God speak to you?

tell me. Is Ephraim the elder brother of Jesus?

try your best not to make more bogus claims.

Your google translate and pretence of arabic expertise is better pretence than bible scholarship mate.

 

[firedragon]

I offered why I read the Quran differently

No you didnt. You only showed how you make the most absurd impositions onto some or any verse in the Quran. You only showed you dont even read it. You have not ever read it. Quick internet searches is not reading a book, forgetting studying it.

 

[firedragon]

Right, but how do you exactly know God cannot reveal new knowledge after Quran?

Thats just a blatant, cheap, strawman. Your claim about prophets being manifestations of God is not in the Quran. NOR AFTER the Quran.

Try doing another google translate, cut and paste, and pretend. Better than this kind of statement.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Thats just a blatant, cheap, strawman. Your claim about prophets being manifestations of God is not in the Quran. NOR AFTER the Quran.

Try doing another google translate, cut and paste, and pretend. Better than this kind of statement.

You seem to conveniently ignore some part of my posts,, and only reply to a portion of it. Then simply claiming you are right and I am wrong. How does your approach a sound discussion my friend.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That would mostly be because you see it much differently than we do, that is all. A good study on this is "Frame of Reference".

It is only mind bloggling as one may not be aware of what Baha'u'llah has offered in regards to passages such as this, the Quran and the Self of God, who is the Messenger, the First and Last, the Beginning and End.

Baha'u'llah offered about the Messengers and starts with Muhammad, "...“I am the Messenger of God,” He, also, speaketh the truth, the indubitable truth. Even as He saith: “Muḥammad is not the father of any man among you, but He is the Messenger of God.” Viewed in this light, they are all but Messengers of that ideal King, that unchangeable Essence. And were they all to proclaim, “I am the Seal of the Prophets,” they, verily, utter but the truth, beyond the faintest shadow of doubt. For they are all but one person, one soul, one spirit, one being, one revelation. They are all the manifestation of the “Beginning” and the “End,” the “First” and the “Last,” the “Seen” and the “Hidden”—all of which pertain to Him Who is the Innermost Spirit of Spirits and Eternal Essence of Essences. And were they to say, “We are the Servants of God,” this also is a manifest and indisputable fact. For they have been made manifest in the uttermost state of servitude, a servitude the like of which no man can possibly attain. Thus in moments in which these Essences of Being were deep immersed beneath the oceans of ancient and everlasting holiness, or when they soared to the loftiest summits of Divine mysteries, they claimed their utterances to be the Voice of Divinity, the Call of God Himself...."

All these Titles and Attributes are above Allah, all we can know of Allah are these references to the Messengers, who we can now see as Manifestations of God, they are the "Self of God".

Regards Tony

No you didnt. You only showed how you make the most absurd impositions onto some or any verse in the Quran. You only showed you dont even read it. You have not ever read it. Quick internet searches is not reading a book, forgetting studying

I offer the post where I did explain, maybe you did not read it? No worries, does not matter.

Also, I have read the Quran. It is as much an epic as the Old Testament is.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Really?? Lol. The tanakh says Ephraim is Son of God. In fact, it says Ephraim was Prototokos. So what? Injeel?? How do you deem that the Gospel of John is Injeel? Who told you that? Did God speak to you?

tell me. Is Ephraim the elder brother of Jesus?

try your best not to make more bogus claims.

Your google translate and pretence of arabic expertise is better pretence than bible scholarship mate.

This is quite a different subject you are bringing up. What I am saying is, Allah did not say the Injil or Torah Text became corrupted. This is a general misunderstanding in Muslim community, because they were brainwashed by some scholars who had made up such ideas.

Now, as regards to your specific references that you think, they show errors in Bible, that is because most people did not understand that God does not always speak literally.
Quran makes Similar statements. For example, Quran says Mary was sister of Aaron! This is from a spiritual perspective, that God sometimes says this prophet is son of that prophet, or Mary is sister of Aaron, even they are more than 1000 years apart. Moreover, Jesus said, John Baptist is return of Elijah. Similarly, in Hadithes, Muhammad said "I am all Prophets". But as people look at verses of God only from a literal perspective (not spiritually), they incorrectly think, these are mistakes in the Books of God.

 

[firedragon]

You seem to conveniently ignore some part of my posts,, and only reply to a portion of it. Then simply claiming you are right and I am wrong. How does your approach a sound discussion my friend.

See. You googling, cutting and pasting arabic sentences you dont understand from A to Z is good enough to portray your dishonest methods. There is no need to address you comprehensively. Everything is just bogus.

 

[firedragon]

This is quite a different subject you are bringing up. What I am saying is, Allah did not say the Injil or Torah Text became corrupted. This is a general misunderstanding in Muslim community, because they were brainwashed by some scholars who had made up such ideas.

Thats absolutely irrelevant. You have not read the Qur'an so I think you should not just make bogus claims.

 

[firedragon]

I offer the post where I did explain, maybe you did not read it? No worries, does not matter.

Also, I have read the Quran. It is as much an epic as the Old Testament is.

Regards Tony

I read your post. Its just bogus.

You said a verse that speaks of God was speaking of the prophet Muhammed. Thats just, how do you say, a made up bogus statement.

You have never read the Quran. Dont make more bogus claims.

 

[firedragon]

Now, as regards to your specific references that you think, they show errors in Bible, that is because most people did not understand that God does not always speak literally.

I did not make any post about errors in the Bible. I think you just want another topic as a strawman because your bogus claims are just obvious.

Quran makes Similar statements. For example, Quran says Mary was sister of Aaron!

Since you are an bogus arabic expert, can you tell me what "Uhthal Riba" means??

Just a simple sentence to make you understand a book you have never read in your life or understood but are pretending to make scholarly exegesis of. Just try rather than pretending.

Is that an easy request. Just try being honest, and respond.

What does Uhthal Riba mean? If you dont know, just say you dont and I will explain why that so relevant to your bogus claim.

 

[MyM]

Maybe at some point they do.
It is said in Hadithes that Muslims will not recognize The Mahdi, just the brothers of Joseph did not recognize their brother Joseph at first. Then at the end they recognized Joseph and bowed to Him in adoration. Same is supposed to happen to Muslims. Eventually they will recognize!

The mehdi will come at a time when there are so many injustices and hatred happening. Many Muslims will be fighting, many will gather to fight the disbelievers and many Muslims will also go with the Dajjal. This is stated...and it is given the reason why....they are NOT PRACTICING AND ABIDING BY THE QURAN AND SUNNAH and their imaan (faith) will be very weak and so it will be very easy for them to follow the Ddajjal (anti-christ). It is in the Quran and Sunnah that the mehdi will be uniting so those who believe will be with him, those do not, will not. When the ddajall comes, you are not to go and confront. Stay as far away from him as possible. Eesa alayhi salam will descend at this time. It will be indeed a time of hardship for everyone.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I read your post. Its just bogus.

You said a verse that speaks of God was speaking of the prophet Muhammed. Thats just, how do you say, a made up bogus statement.

You have never read the Quran. Dont make more bogus claims.

All the best Friedragon.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The mehdi will come at a time when there are so many injustices and hatred happening.

Mid 1800's was such a time.

Regards Tony

 

[MyM]

Mid 1800's was such a time.

Regards Tony

No. Mohammad pbuh was talking of the future. When Jesus will descend. Everyone knows this for those who follow the Quran and Sunnah-how Allah says to do.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No. Mohammad pbuh was talking of the future. When Jesus will descend. Everyone knows this for those who follow the Quran and Sunnah-how Allah says to do.

Firstly, you are free to see it how you chosse to and may all your choices be great.

Logic and reason tells me that was the future, it was Ah1260, or AD1844

Regards Tony