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Question to Bahais. The Maitreya.

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
@Link,

In the Quran, the Resurrection is not just what will happen in the future, but it had also happend in the past.

For example verse 50:20 says:

"And there was a blast on the trumpet—lo! it is the threatened Day! And every soul is summoned to a reckoning—with him an impeller and a witness."

Notice the tense of the verse is not future!. It says there was a blast on the Trumpet!
This is an allusion to Trumpet call of Muhammad. So, this Trumpet, is an expression which means Call of God to a new Revelation.

I quote Bahaullah on this.

"As the commentators of the Qur’án and they that follow the letter thereof misapprehended the inner meaning of the words of God and failed to grasp their essential purpose, they sought to demonstrate that, according to the rules of grammar, whenever the term “idhá” (meaning “if” or “when”) precedeth
the past tense, it invariably hath reference to the future. Later, they were sore perplexed in attempting to explain those verses of the Book wherein that term did not actually occur. Even as He hath revealed: “And there was a blast on the trumpet—lo! it is the threatened Day! And every soul is summoned to a reckoning—with him an impeller and a witness.” In explaining this and similar verses, they have in some cases argued that the term “idhá” is implied. In other instances, they have idly contended that whereas the Day of Judgment is inevitable, it hath therefore been referred to as an event not of the
future but of the past. How vain their sophistry! How grievous their blindness! They refuse to recognize the trumpet-blast which so explicitly in this text was sounded through the revelation of Muḥammad. They deprive themselves of the regenerating Spirit of God that breathed into it, and
foolishly expect to hear the trumpet-sound of the Seraph of God who is but one of His servants! Hath not the Seraph himself, the angel of the Judgment Day, and his like been ordained by Muḥammad’s own
utterance? Say: What! Will ye give that which is for your good in exchange for that which is evil?
Wretched is that which ye have falsely exchanged! Surely ye are a people, evil, in grievous loss.
Nay, by “trumpet” is meant the trumpet-call of Muḥammad’s Revelation, which was sounded in the heart of the universe, and by “resurrection” is meant His own rise to proclaim the Cause of God. He bade the erring and wayward arise and speed out of the sepulchers of their bodies, arrayed them with the beauteous robe of faith, and quickened them with the breath of a new and wondrous life. Thus at the hour when Muḥammad, that divine Beauty, purposed to unveil one of the mysteries hidden in the symbolic terms “resurrection,” “judgment,” “paradise,” and “hell,” Gabriel, the Voice of Inspiration, was heard saying: “Erelong will they wag their heads at Thee, and say, ‘When shall this be?’ Say: ‘Perchance
it is nigh.’” The implications of this verse alone suffice the peoples of the world, were they to ponder it in their hearts."
Baha'u'llah, Book of Iqan
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Quran promises meeting with Lord on the Day of Resurrection. That means God will be manifested on the Judgement Day, hence the word "zahir".

Thats not the question. So try not to make absolutely bogus statements. And dont pretend your quick internet search, finding a word, putting it here makes any statement about your faith and the Qur'an.

The question is, where in the Qur'an are prophets called manifestations? Its in bold so that you just cant pretend not to read this anymore.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This means, that, because on that Day, the sinners will be known by their countenance. So, they cannot deny their sin. When they reject the new Revelation (Qaim), just by this act of rejection alone, they are known by God as disbelievers. This is why Quran says on that Day neither man or Spirit shall be asked questions.

It can't mean that, because it's flowing with respect to hell and telling us there is no refuge to take on day of judgment. You guys believe there is a refuge to take with God now and it's not too late.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@InvestigateTruth

You are going about isolating and decontextualizing every verse from it's proper place with respect to day of judgment. This is what Quran says hard hearts do with the Quran, they take verses out of their context. The proper way is to see them all together and let the clear meaning be clear.

For example, if you see how day of judgment is one reply to "why not a sign regarding him is sent", you will see its only that day where no one will doubt the truth. God could make it that day from start to finish, that the signs are so apparent no one doubts, but he hides it (the hour) so every soul can strive for what it will strive for. To some degree, his proof is manifest, but some degree it's hidden, yet on day of judgment everyone will be certain.

You guys still believe every soul can strive for what it wishes. But Quran shows in many verses, the repentance is no longer counted on day of judgment after people believe and are sure.
 
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Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I see from your perspective very confusing. ...but to each his own and will say salam :)

And obey Allah and His Messenger and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient. Al-Anfal, 8:46

It's what Batini sects/religions do... they don't have interest as to what God says, to them, religion is a game.

They interpret everything per their whims.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@Link,

In the Quran, the Resurrection is not just what will happen in the future, but it had also happend in the past.

For example verse 50:20 says:

"And there was a blast on the trumpet—lo! it is the threatened Day! And every soul is summoned to a reckoning—with him an impeller and a witness."

Notice the tense of the verse is not future!. It says there was a blast on the Trumpet!
This is an allusion to Trumpet call of Muhammad. So, this Trumpet, is an expression which means Call of God to a new Revelation.

I quote Bahaullah on this.

"As the commentators of the Qur’án and they that follow the letter thereof misapprehended the inner meaning of the words of God and failed to grasp their essential purpose, they sought to demonstrate that, according to the rules of grammar, whenever the term “idhá” (meaning “if” or “when”) precedeth
the past tense, it invariably hath reference to the future. Later, they were sore perplexed in attempting to explain those verses of the Book wherein that term did not actually occur. Even as He hath revealed: “And there was a blast on the trumpet—lo! it is the threatened Day! And every soul is summoned to a reckoning—with him an impeller and a witness.” In explaining this and similar verses, they have in some cases argued that the term “idhá” is implied. In other instances, they have idly contended that whereas the Day of Judgment is inevitable, it hath therefore been referred to as an event not of the
future but of the past. How vain their sophistry! How grievous their blindness! They refuse to recognize the trumpet-blast which so explicitly in this text was sounded through the revelation of Muḥammad. They deprive themselves of the regenerating Spirit of God that breathed into it, and
foolishly expect to hear the trumpet-sound of the Seraph of God who is but one of His servants! Hath not the Seraph himself, the angel of the Judgment Day, and his like been ordained by Muḥammad’s own
utterance? Say: What! Will ye give that which is for your good in exchange for that which is evil?
Wretched is that which ye have falsely exchanged! Surely ye are a people, evil, in grievous loss.
Nay, by “trumpet” is meant the trumpet-call of Muḥammad’s Revelation, which was sounded in the heart of the universe, and by “resurrection” is meant His own rise to proclaim the Cause of God. He bade the erring and wayward arise and speed out of the sepulchers of their bodies, arrayed them with the beauteous robe of faith, and quickened them with the breath of a new and wondrous life. Thus at the hour when Muḥammad, that divine Beauty, purposed to unveil one of the mysteries hidden in the symbolic terms “resurrection,” “judgment,” “paradise,” and “hell,” Gabriel, the Voice of Inspiration, was heard saying: “Erelong will they wag their heads at Thee, and say, ‘When shall this be?’ Say: ‘Perchance
it is nigh.’” The implications of this verse alone suffice the peoples of the world, were they to ponder it in their hearts."
Baha'u'llah, Book of Iqan

Kitab iqaan is a embarrassment to humanity. Speaks nonsense through out. It and his other writings have no comparison to Quran. Just read the whole Surah (50) and you will see he is talking non-sense.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thats not the question. So try not to make absolutely bogus statements. And dont pretend your quick internet search, finding a word, putting it here makes any statement about your faith and the Qur'an.

The question is, where in the Qur'an are prophets called manifestations? Its in bold so that you just cant pretend not to read this anymore.

Allah (swt) "Master of the day of judgment", boom, it's Baha'allah bro, what else can it be since he thinks people can't see God while Quran says those who don't see God will be blinder in the next to him.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Allah (swt) "Master of the day of judgment", boom, it's Baha'allah bro, what else can it be since he thinks people can't see God while Quran says those who don't see God will be blinder in the next to him.

Brotherman. I think that blew over my head. You are way above me.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Brotherman. I think that blew over my head. You are way above me.

I think I'm going to block him eventually and just talk to others. He makes himself as if sincere to Quran and ahadith, but never cares to understand them. For my sanity, I might need to do this. I love Quran and I hate insincerity to God's words and never witnessed the degree of insincerity to God's words as I have from Bahais.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
"And there was a blast on the trumpet—lo! it is the threatened Day! And every soul is summoned to a reckoning—with him an impeller and a witness."

Notice the tense of the verse is not future!. It says there was a blast on the Trumpet!
This is an allusion to Trumpet call of Muhammad. So, this Trumpet, is an expression which means Call of God to a new Revelation.

Oh my good God mate. Please dont make things up. Its called la al majhoowl. Its the future. An an undetermined time.

Why do you people seriously make things up like this?

Unbelievable.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I think I'm going to block him eventually and just talk to others. He makes himself as if sincere to Quran and ahadith, but never cares to understand them. For my sanity, I might need to do this. I love Quran and I hate insincerity to God's words and never witnessed the degree of insincerity to God's words as I have from Bahais.

No bro. I meant you in that post I responded to, were too advanced for my grasp. So I was going to ask you to explain in simple terms.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Oh my good God mate. Please dont make things up. Its called la al majhoowl. Its the future. An an undetermined time.

Why do you people seriously make things up like this?

Unbelievable.

It talks about it in past tense, as if some of these events happen, the continues with more events. But the prose is that and is eloquent because God wants us to take us to day the of judgment as if it's happening, one event after another in this Surah. That's the Surah's style. That hell is brought to full view. I don't think Bahais believe hell has come right now, do they? O wait, maybe, to them, it means this and that... Unbelievable as you said.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No bro. I meant you in that post I responded to, were too advanced for my grasp. So I was going to ask you to explain in simple terms.

God is to be seen through his light in this world and next. On day of judgment, people blind to God's light in this world will know God is truth but be blind to his beauty (veiled with respected to their Lord).

It's important to look towards the spiritual kingdom and see God's light and unseen signs, or we will be blind in the next and further astray per Quran.

Day of judgment does take place through driving of the witnesses, and it's their light that radiates the truth, but this will be seen to a level of signs where no one will doubt they are truth per Quran. There will be outward signs and inward signs, and people will know their sins and good deeds and see all reality, but it's the love. The Love if didn't get created in this world in heart, won't be there in day of judgment, and people will be blind to God in next world if they hated him in this world.

So knowing they are true, doesn't mean disbelievers will see their beauty and majesty, but will see them as ugly, just as their love of dunya makes them see Angels as ugly in the grave-life.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
It talks about it in past tense, as if some of these events happen, the continues with more events. But the prose is that and is eloquent because God wants us to take us to day the of judgment as if it's happening, one event after another in this Surah. That's the Surah's style. That hell is brought to full view. I don't think Bahais believe hell has come right now, do they? O wait, maybe, to them, it means this and that... Unbelievable as you said.

Brother. The statement that says 'this was in the past' is a simple lie. No offence, but its just a lie. It is good for idiots. Anyone who has like a 4 year old Childs knowledge in the language will tell them different.

Its faala maadh mabneey lal majhoowl. The grammar is an in the future. An indefinite time.

I am sure the response will be with some other strawman because these people have no clue about what they are talking about. They can google the grammar. Lol. No problem.

Cheers.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Brother. The statement that says 'this was in the past' is a simple lie. No offence, but its just a lie.

Of course it is. He knows better, but is hell bent on playing games with Quran. That's Bahai faith in a nutshell.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Of course it is. He knows better, but is hell bent on playing games with Quran. That's Bahai faith in a nutshell.

I dont want to generalise to all Bahai's. But in this particular instance, it is just bogus. So I must say you are absolutely right.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I dont want to generalise to all Bahai's. But in this particular instance, it is just bogus. So I must say you are absolutely right.

He is quoting Baha'allah from kitab iqaan, so it's the bahai faith. The problem is Baha'allah played games with Quran and so followers of his follow with that.

It's not them choosing themselves these word games, they come from Kitabal Iqaan and other works.
 
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