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Questions about Islam

muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
nazz said:
Excuse me, I am a Christian and I do not fear God at all.
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I'm sorry to hear that .. perhaps you don't know what it means..

An example would be when we might be tempted to commit adultery .. it's very easily done, particularly when 'the other party' consents. A person who 'fears God' would ask Him for help in this situation..
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
muhammad_isa said:
I don't think that you should become a Muslim, if you continue to think in that way..

Quoting lots of verses out of context (probably copy&paste from some web-site or other) is not going to help you learn the truth about Almighty God.

It's possible by quoting out of context to infer any meaning you wish .. the same goes for the Bible ..
DON'T DO IT!! .. unless you wish to displease Almighty God by misleading others through lack of knowledge or impure intentions
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Rayan said "show me what are the bad parts and I will show you your understanding of it is wrong "
So I presented the verses
muhammad_isa said:
I'm sorry to hear that .. perhaps you don't know what it means..

An example would be when we might be tempted to commit adultery .. it's very easily done, particularly when 'the other party' consents. A person who 'fears God' would ask Him for help in this situation..
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That was a mature statement
 
RAYYAN

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
SaintMatthew said:
Quran 3:32 – “Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad); but if they turn away, then indeed, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”
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The God that you don't worship doesn't like you. so what is wrong with that?

SaintMatthew said:
Quran 48:29 – “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful amongst themselves.”
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forcefull is a wrong translation. The Arabic word “ashidda” does not mean ruthless, but strong and firm. Ruthless is an unacceptable translation. Translations of ashidda.

and this verse is revealed during conflicts between Muslims and their enemies in battle. how do you expect Muslims to react against people who fight them!!

SaintMatthew said:
Quran 4:24 – “And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hand possess.”
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Slavery was not something that Islam came up with. it was the norm of earth at that time. but instead, Islam narrowed it's avenues until it was eliminated

SaintMatthew said:
Quran 5:33 – “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”
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This is Islamic law. if you are not a Muslim it doesn't apply to you, and I don't think you have the right to speak on behalf Muslims.

SaintMatthew said:
Quran 9:5 – “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
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I am tired explaining this verse, and it shows that you didn't read, you just used copy/past THEN READ HERE and don't waste my time



I think you got the point with the rest of the verses you posted. read first, then post something if it still seems wrong to you
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
unbelievers have feelings. What crime did they commite that they should have to be tortured forever and ever. Also, why the need to stone an adulterer? Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

And why cut off a person's hand for stealing. What if the person is innocent? You cant give them their hand back! The problem is, the atrocities that are in the Koran are going to be fuel for any fanatic to motivate people to chop off heads, limbs, stone those who have sex outside of marriage, imprison and kill blasphemers etc.

also, Allah is invisible. It is harsh for people to be executed for apostasy because they disagree with Muhammad's belief about the invisible Allah.

No one should be put to death for a belief or disbelief. IT is wrong!
 
RAYYAN

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
SaintMatthew said:
It is harsh for people to be executed for apostasy because they disagree with Muhammad's belief about the invisible Allah.

No one should be put to death for a belief or disbelief. IT is wrong!
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Again, This is misconception about Islam. The punishment of apostasy is not death. there is no punishment at all. The Quran is clear that there is no compulsion in Religion.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
"Quran discusses apostasy in many of its verses. For example:[24]

But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.

— Quran 3:90

Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.

— Quran 9:66

He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

— Quran 16:106

In these, and other verses,[25] Quran reprimands apostasy in Islam and suggests it deserves chastisement. However, Quran does not reveal a specific punishment for apostasy.[6] The sunnah in Hadiths, which form part of Sharia, specify death penalty.[6]

Hadith[edit]
Within the different Hadith collections, there are references to punishments for committing apostasy in Islam.[16] For example, in the Sahih al-Bukhari, the most trusted book in Islam after Quran, punishments for apostasy are described:[26]

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271

The Sahih Muslim collection, reiterates and confirms that which is in the Sahih al-Bukhari collection:[27]

"(4152) 'Abdullah (b. Mas'ūd) reported Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact) that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community."[28]

— Sahih Muslim, 16:4152 see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4154, Sahih Muslim, 20:4490

There are many other sunnah that describe capital punishments for apostasy in Islam.[29][30]"
That is very sad. Most Muslim Scholar and sharia Jurors agree with that.^^

Allah loves us like a Father loves a rebellious son or daughter. You don't kill your child for petty offenses.

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
nazz

nazz

Doubting Thomas
muhammad_isa said:
I'm sorry to hear that .. perhaps you don't know what it means..

An example would be when we might be tempted to commit adultery .. it's very easily done, particularly when 'the other party' consents. A person who 'fears God' would ask Him for help in this situation..
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I don't have to fear God to ask for God's help.
 
nazz

nazz

Doubting Thomas
muhammad_isa said:
No, you don't .. but without the fear of God, you'd probably be so busy enjoying yourself that you'd forget to ask!
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Please don't project your problems onto me. I don't act ethically out of any fear of any god. If that is the only reason you do I feel sorry for you.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
SaintMatthew said:
That is very sad. Most Muslim Scholar and sharia Jurors agree with that.^^
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Allah is Strict in Punishment, but Most Merciful..

The 'sharia law' is there to protect the state. If you don't threaten the state, you have nothing to worry about.

Everybody needs protection from the state, including non-Muslims .. the state must function, otherwise it ceases to exist. Those who are guilty of treason have to be dealt with, otherwise satan will have a field day!

It's no different in the west .. if the state's secrets are given to the enemy, they will be arrested and tried.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
muhammad_isa said:
Allah is Strict in Punishment, but Most Merciful..

The 'sharia law' is there to protect the state. If you don't threaten the state, you have nothing to worry about.

Everybody needs protection from the state, including non-Muslims .. the state must function, otherwise it ceases to exist. Those who are guilty of treason have to be dealt with, otherwise satan will have a field day!

It's no different in the west .. if the state's secrets are given to the enemy, they will be arrested and tried.
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so you don't like how we have freedom here in America?
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
SaintMatthew said:
so you don't like how we have freedom here in America?
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That is a simple question with a complicated answer :)

What about that 'guy', a US citizen, who sought assylum in Russia not long ago?
Political, isn't it .. that's what I'm saying .. all countries have to protect their citizens .. they can't do that if they allow spies to operate without penalty.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
SaintMatthew said:
i dont know about that guy.

do you believe that God wants laws calling for amputations or the stoning of adulterers?
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Yes .. for similar reasons that 'the death penalty' is appropriate for some crimes.
I know in the US that many states have the dalth penalty .. we don't have it here in Europe.

Crime is a problem .. one has to think of the victims as well as the criminals. It is rather ironic that the criminal justice system costs so much to administer (100's of $ per person per day), while poor people who have not committed a crime are blamed for their unemployment and given a pittance!

It's unsustainable in the long run .. and Almighty God is Knowing, Wise..

It's also important to realise that it is a deterrant, and only the state (court) can punish or forgive as they see fit.
 
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Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Godobeyer said:
I love kids , today i filmed a very cute little girl , looks like that boy .
When i have a good Internet connection i will upload .
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Godobeyer said:
We love Marry (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) .

there is part in Quran called "Marriam" (Marry ) .
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was that you I was talking with?

I said is this Godobeyer from Religious forums and the a nswer was "no im from Algeria" haha

Sorry I didn't know the time zone was
 
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Deidre

Well-Known Member
Oh my ... I was out today with relatives who are in town for my grandmother's funeral tomorrow and this thread is going on with the arguing lol ^_^

So, I told my father today (and he knew I was intrigued by Islam a few years ago) that I'm considering converting to Islam, and his answer? "Islam? Seriously? Don't tell anyone this at the funeral tomorrow."

Um yea, like I was going to do that.

I replied "I bet if I was going back to the Catholic Church you'd be happy."

So many people just can't see the awesome beauty of Islam and that Muhammad always spoke of asking God for forgiveness which leads me to believe he did so himself.

Read the Qur'an and pray about it and then make a judgment. That's all I ask. It isn't for everyone but i see the goodness in it.
 
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