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Faithofchristian

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Some people wake up from a nights sleep and can accurately recall their dreams, others wake up and watch as the very real dream slips away within seconds into a mishmash of events that now make no sense, yet others wake up and believe they did not have a dream. What I'm saying is, everyone is different. I showed some non testable evidence from eyewitnesses and we can't know more until Science has better tools or we pass over ourselves.

We were talking about Spirits/Souls not existence of God. It just so happens that God tells us through his Messengers and Prophets, that we are all Souls encased in human bodies.

There was a test done on a bunch of Atheists and if I come across it, I will post it. It involved a lie detector test.


The context is clear, they were sent Messengers, they were shown clear signs, yet they turned their backs, so God seals their hearts and increases them in unbelief. They can do what they like with their free will and you can be witness to their testimonies wen they meet their maker. Every single one of them chose their destination, and not a single one of them will protest or argue the case.



Highlighted in red to support my position.....

Surah 14:1-3:

Alif, Lam, Ra. [This is] a Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that you might bring mankind out of darknesses into the light by permission of their Lord - to the path of the Exalted in Might, the Praiseworthy -
Allah, to whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And woe to the disbelievers from a severe punishment
The ones who prefer the worldly life over the Hereafter and avert [people] from the way of Allah, seeking to make it (seem) deviant. Those are in extreme error.

Surah 14:5-8
And We certainly sent Moses with Our signs, [saying], "Bring out your people from darknesses into the light and remind them of the days of Allah ." Indeed in that are signs for everyone patient and grateful.
And [recall, O Children of Israel], when Moses said to His people, "Remember the favor of Allah upon you when He saved you from the people of Pharaoh, who were afflicting you with the worst torment and were slaughtering your [newborn] sons and keeping your females alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord.
And [remember] when your Lord proclaimed, 'If you are grateful, I will surely increase you [in favor]; but if you deny, indeed, My punishment is severe.' "
And Moses said, "If you should disbelieve, you and whoever is on the earth entirely - indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy."



The final Messenger of God was sent to the Israelites as they were promised in Deut 18 and Isaiah 42, Jesus pbuh also mentioned the Comforter to come who would teach the people all things. Therefore the immediate message is for Jews, Christians, Pagan and believing Arabs.

Muhammad never came out of darkness, blind no can see.

Muhammad could not read or write had wife and friends to write for him

You say Allah all powerful, but could not help Muhammad to read or write.

So how Allah all powerful.not help Muhammad to read and write.
 

Faithofchristian

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Muhammad say in Q'uran Allah all powerful.

How Allah all powerful, could not help Muhammad to read and write ?

Muhammad say in Q'uran Allah all knowing.
But do not know who father Abraham made sacrifice Ishmael or Isaac.

How Allah all knowing but not know this ?
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
The Holy Spirit is The Almighty God.

Moses Written many times about Jesus, but seeing you don't know what bible say.
Prophet Daniel Written about Jesus,
Prophet Ezekiel Written about Jesus
Prophet Jeremiah Written about Jesus
Prophet Isaiah written about Jesus
Prophet Amos Written about Jesus
All Prophets Written about Jesus

From the book of Genesis to Revelation is about Gospel of Jesus.
And yet we don't see the name Yeshua or Jesus being mentioned by any of the Torah Prophets, not once. :/

Father Abraham saw 3 come unto him, one was Almighty God Jesus. Other 2 were mighty angels.
Almighty God came down here himself to see what Sodom and Gomorrah really do.and came to Abraham at his tent door to speak with Abraham.
Again none of the three are called Yeshua or Jesus.

If from Genesis to Revelation is all about God changing his mind, and coming to die on a cross in 33 A.D to forgive the Whole World for their sins, then you would think Jesus pbuh would have been mentioned once or twice by name?


Jesus lead Israel many times in war to defeat their enemies.
But you will, say where Jesus lead armies into war.
You show do not know Christian bible.
We go by facts, not imaginations. Show us where he is mentioned by name as leading a army into battle.



You say here is Christian website to explain.
That is to funny, I do not follow what other men will say.
I only follow only what the Almighty God will say. Not man will say.
Yes we should ignore Biblical Scholars and follow what you say instead :/



What man is there that knows more than Almighty God knows.
Can you tell, where is that man, that will know more than Almighty God.

Are you that man, that will know more than Almighty God.
God alone has all knowledge, Jesus pbuh didn't know who touched his cloak and didn't know when the hour would be, he promised to be back in the generation of his followers and that didn't happen. I guess he was just showing what a Human Prophet he was.


The Lord God told Moses that he would raise a Prophet like Moses from their brethren Duet 18:18.

When Israel came out of bondage from Egypt, The Lord God spoke unto Moses saying, " I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto you
( Moses ) Deut 18:18.
Only Moses and Israel came out of bondage of Egypt.

Muhammad do not tell you this, Muhammad leave you less informed.to trick you like the desert scorpions that strike a man leave man dead.
Jesus pbuh never came out of Egypt, so what's your point. Still waiting for you to show me what were the MANY things the Holy Spirit told Christians, maybe make a list for us?

Muhammad never came out of darkness, blind no can see.

Muhammad could not read or write had wife and friends to write for him

You say Allah all powerful, but could not help Muhammad to read or write.

So how Allah all powerful.not help Muhammad to read and write.
Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh ask God to make him able to read and write?
Did Moses pbuh ask God to make him able to read and write?
Did the poor illiterate Aramaic speaking Disciples ask God to make them be able to read and write?
Did Jesus pbuh ask God to read and write, so he could write the Injeel or even see what was written by the anonymous writers of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John?

What is your point exactly? Sounding silly.
 

Faithofchristian

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And yet we don't see the name Yeshua or Jesus being mentioned by any of the Torah Prophets, not once. :/

Again none of the three are called Yeshua or Jesus.

If from Genesis to Revelation is all about God changing his mind, and coming to die on a cross in 33 A.D to forgive the Whole World for their sins, then you would think Jesus pbuh would have been mentioned once or twice by name?


We go by facts, not imaginations. Show us where he is mentioned by name as leading a army into battle.



Yes we should ignore Biblical Scholars and follow what you say instead :/



God alone has all knowledge, Jesus pbuh didn't know who touched his cloak and didn't know when the hour would be, he promised to be back in the generation of his followers and that didn't happen. I guess he was just showing what a Human Prophet he was.



Jesus pbuh never came out of Egypt, so what's your point. Still waiting for you to show me what were the MANY things the Holy Spirit told Christians, maybe make a list for us?


Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh ask God to make him able to read and write?
Did Moses pbuh ask God to make him able to read and write?
Did the poor illiterate Aramaic speaking Disciples ask God to make them be able to read and write?
Did Jesus pbuh ask God to read and write, so he could write the Injeel or even see what was written by the anonymous writers of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John?

What is your point exactly? Sounding silly.

Muhammad not mention by name in
Duet 18:18 .
So how you get this be Muhammad.

You say Muhammad be comforter, Muhammad name not mention.
So how you get.

No disciples did not have to ask God, for them to read and write. They already did know how to read and write.

You have no understanding of bible, you can not see plainly, you are blind.

Jesus did not have to ask to read and write, Jesus already did know to read and write.

Moses already know how to read and write, did not have to ask.

Muhammad did not know how to read and write, had silly woman wife to read and write for him. Maybe this why so many contradictions in Q'uran, had silly woman wife write for him. She make Muhammad foolish. Did not no how to read and write, had silly woman write the Q'uran for him.

No woman write bible, all men Write bible.
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
Muhammad not mention by name in
Duet 18:18 .
So how you get this be Muhammad.
Because Deut 34 makes clear never again did a Prophet arise from amongst the Israelites who was like Moses pbuh. The Collin Gems Bible Dictionary says no MAN in History came close to Prophet Moses pbuh except MUHAMMAD pbuh.

You say Muhammad be comforter, Muhammad name not mention.
So how you get.
Jesus pbuh used the term "Paraclete" back then it meant the "Praised One". Muhammad's pbuh name was "Ahmed". Both Muhammad pbuh and Ahmed in Arabic mean "The Honoured One" or the "Praised One".


No disciples did not have to ask God, for them to read and write. They already did know how to read and write. You have no understanding of bible, you can not see plainly, you are blind.
Please help me see and show me where does it say they knew how to read and write in excellent Greek?


Jesus did not have to ask to read and write, Jesus already did know to read and write.
what did Jesus pbuh write?


Moses already know how to read and write, did not have to ask.
What did he write?


Muhammad did not know how to read and write, had silly woman wife to read and write for him. Maybe this why so many contradictions in Q'uran, had silly woman wife write for him. She make Muhammad foolish. Did not no how to read and write, had silly woman write the Q'uran for him.

No woman write bible, all men Write bible.
Muhammad pbuh received the Qur'an through oral recitation, he then recited for his Companions and Scribes, who wrote it and read it back to him for verification.

The scribes of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) - islamqa.info

If Muhammad pbuh is not the human comforter that Jesus pbuh said would be sent, then that means Christians are still waiting for him to come, and it's been almost 2,000 Years!
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
If Muhammad pbuh is not the human comforter that Jesus pbuh said would be sent, then that means Christians are still waiting for him to come, and it's been almost 2,000 Years!
I understand what you are trying to convey but you do appreciate that there is not a single Christian scholar and/or church that agrees with this rendering of the text, right?
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
I understand what you are trying to convey but you do appreciate that there is not a single Christian scholar and/or church that agrees with this rendering of the text, right?
Yes of course, but perhaps as someone who doesn't particularly like Islam, you could read the verses and see if it is talking about someone coming to explain many things that Jesus pbuh did not manage to do or is it something else as Christians have no choice but to insist:

John 16:12-15English Standard Version (ESV)

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

You don't have to agree it's anything to do with Islam, but are the Christians right in thinking it's a Holy Spirit that resides within them, yet has remained dead silent for almost 2,000 years?
 

Faithofchristian

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Because Deut 34 makes clear never again did a Prophet arise from amongst the Israelites who was like Moses pbuh. The Collin Gems Bible Dictionary says no MAN in History came close to Prophet Moses pbuh except MUHAMMAD pbuh.

Jesus pbuh used the term "Paraclete" back then it meant the "Praised One". Muhammad's pbuh name was "Ahmed". Both Muhammad pbuh and Ahmed in Arabic mean "The Honoured One" or the "Praised One".


Please help me see and show me where does it say they knew how to read and write in excellent Greek?


what did Jesus pbuh write?


What did he write?


Muhammad pbuh received the Qur'an through oral recitation, he then recited for his Companions and Scribes, who wrote it and read it back to him for verification.

The scribes of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) - islamqa.info

If Muhammad pbuh is not the human comforter that Jesus pbuh said would be sent, then that means Christians are still waiting for him to come, and it's been almost 2,000 Years![/QUOTE

There is No human Comforter.
Comforter is Spirit of Almighty God.

Do you know what a spirit is.
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
There is No human Comforter.
Comforter is Spirit of Almighty God.

Do you know what a spirit is.
Spirit can mean human Prophet. Here is my proof:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You are to funny, spirit human prophet.
You have No understanding what spirit is.
Go ahead and give us your exegesis with evidences on, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 Jn 4:1
 
Jesus pbuh used the term "Paraclete" back then it meant the "Praised One". Muhammad's pbuh name was "Ahmed". Both Muhammad pbuh and Ahmed in Arabic mean "The Honoured One" or the "Praised One".

You are just making that up. It meant advocate, not 'praised one'.

The Greek paráklētos can mean either “comforter” or “advocate”. Indeed, modern Bible translations tend to prefer the meaning “advocate” as the earlier sense, perhaps even rooted in Aramaic usage of paráklētos as a calque. Grounds for this judge- ment can be found in the fact that, by the Roman period, the Greek word paráklētos entered Hebrew and Jewish Aramaic as the loanword פרקליט, mean- ing “advocate”, as it was often paired with its antonym קטיגוד, another loanword from the Greek katḗgōr, meaning “accuser”.


If Muhammad pbuh is not the human comforter that Jesus pbuh said would be sent, then that means Christians are still waiting for him to come, and it's been almost 2,000 Years!

Could be one of the other ones who also claimed it... ;)

Our best evidence suggests that from at
least the mid-eighth century CE, if not earlier, Muslim readers of the New
Testament singled out Jesus’s discourse on the Paraclete in the Gospel of
John as the very annunciation of Muḥammad’s prophetic destiny that Jesus proclaims
to the Israelites in Q. 61: 6. For many early Muslims, Muḥammad was
indeed this Paraclete prophesied by Jesus. Muslims were not the first to claim
that Jesus’s sermon on the Paraclete was in fact a fatidic pronouncement
about the founder of their religious movement.
The New Testament Johannine
literature, in fact, recognizes two “Paracletes”: the exalted Christ who intercedes
with God on the believers’ behalf (1 John 2: 1) and “the other Paraclete”, the
Spirit of Truth, whom Jesus promises will ever remain with his followers
after Jesus departs from the world (John 14: 16–9).2 Although this “other
Paraclete” has been traditionally identified with the Holy Spirit (John 14: 26),
the history of Biblical interpretation has seen no lack of attempts to envisage
this second Paraclete as an actual successor to Christ embodied by, or even
incarnated in, a historical person. As early as the late second century CE the
Montanists saw in the founder of their prophetic movement, Montanus of
Phyrgia, a manifestation of Jesus’s promise of the Paraclete,3 even if it is uncertain
if Montanus himself claimed to be the Paraclete.4 Manichaeans, too,
regarded the rapture of Mani and his union with his Sýzygos (his celestial paircomrade
and alter ego) in the third century CE as the moment in which he united
with the Paraclete predicted by the Johannine Christ.5 Modern historians are
more certain that the Mani himself, and not just his acolytes, claimed that he
embodied the Paraclete.6
(Muḥammad, Menaḥem, and the Paraclete - Sean Anthony)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Let's for say, that Jesus did give Prophecy about Muhammad as the comforter.

But then Christ Jesus would be contradicting Himself what He gave in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 13.
There will not be no more sending Prophet's.

Therefore since there will not be no more sending any Prophet's, by this if someone came saying they are a Prophet you would know definitely they are a False Prophet.
 
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Muslim-UK

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You are just making that up. It meant advocate, not 'praised one'.

The Greek paráklētos can mean either “comforter” or “advocate”. Indeed, modern Bible translations tend to prefer the meaning “advocate” as the earlier sense, perhaps even rooted in Aramaic usage of paráklētos as a calque. Grounds for this judge- ment can be found in the fact that, by the Roman period, the Greek word paráklētos entered Hebrew and Jewish Aramaic as the loanword פרקליט, mean- ing “advocate”, as it was often paired with its antonym קטיגוד, another loanword from the Greek katḗgōr, meaning “accuser”.

Why did Jesus use the word "Paraclete"?
The following was taken from http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

Q. I am curious why in the Aramaic scriptures the word "paraclete" is used when talking about the "comforter" and the "advocate". Can you enlighten me on this? I believe as you, that Jesus only spoke Aramaic, not Greek.
Thanks, Ken.

A. Dear Ken,

You have raised an important question. Why indeed are there any Greek words in the "Aramaic Scriptures?" The short answer is that you were working with the "Pesh itto" which is otherwise known as the West Palestinian "Peshi tta" that was made to conform to the pre-Christian Septuagint of the Greek church. We know that Jesus did not speak Greek because the Aramaic speaking people in the time of Jesus considered it sinful to speak any other language. This had to be true because the Aramaic Estrangelo Script was the lingua franca in Palestine at the time of Jesus. Aramaic in this script is similar to Arabic and this was the language of commerce and industry. A growing number of scholars now recognize that Jesus spoke this form of Aramaic, not Greek. The square letter Aramaic in Hebraic characters came much later. (See "Western Christian Scholars Awaken to Truth" in the Table of Contents on the Aramaic Bible Society Website). See Eusebius' "Ecclesiastical History", first published in 1928! Also, "The Age of Faith", Will and Ariel Durant's "The Story of Civilization", Vol. 4.

Follow me as we trace the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.

Of special interest always is what the name for Muhammad was in his mother tongue, Palestinian Aramaic. For this we have to look to the Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures. According to the present day Aramaic scriptures, the word for Muhammad would read "Paraqleyta" or "Paraklytos" in Greek and "Menahem" in Hebrew! In the ancient Aramaic scriptures, before these changes, it read "Ahmad," then Munahammana" which is the Aramaic/Syriac rendering for the name "Muhammad." These are names, not simply words, and they mean "Comforter" or "Muhammad" in Arabic.

There is no Aramaic dictionary where you'll find the word "Paraqleyta" because there is no such word in that language. Therefore, two questions are asked:

1.Why was "Periklytos" changed to "Paraklytos"?

2.Why was Ahmad changed to "Munahammana" and then to "Paraqleyta?"

History tells us that Muhammad was the only prophet who came shortly after Jesus and did everything Jesus said he would. But, you ask, what is the meaning of all of this? The answer is given in Luke 6:40, "There is no disciple who is more important than his teacher; for every man who is well developed will be like his teacher" (Lamsa) or "The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master" (KJV). Christians are often told that no one can go to heaven except by Jesus. This tells us that the only way anyone can go to heaven is to be Christ-like. Muhammad was such a man. Muslims make a stronger case. They say that Jesus says the only way one can be with Jesus in Heaven is to be as Him, i.e., one who submits to Alaha's Will (Aramaic), Allah's Will (Arabic). To do this is to be a Muslim! But let us return to the study of the word "Comforter."

Could be one of the other ones who also claimed it... ;)
Yes many people have claimed to be the comforter, which just goes to show it was in reference to a human being, not a mute holy spirit that allegedly resides within.

Now how many of those people have had the word of God placed in their mouth as predicted by both Jesus pbuh and Moses pbuh, Deut 18:18 ..... I wonder.
 
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Website cited doesn't exist.

'www.answering-christianity.com' I will take as being less trustworthy than a referenced peer reviewed academic journal.

There is no Aramaic dictionary where you'll find the word "Paraqleyta" because there is no such word in that language.

See 'calque' in my cited source.

But saying there 'is no such word' is like saying there is no such word as zeitgeist in English.


Yes many people have claimed to be the comforter, which just goes to show it was in reference to a human being, not a mute holy spirit that allegedly resides within.

Now how many of those people have had the word of God placed in their mouth as predicted by both Jesus pbuh and Moses pbuh, Deut 18:18 ..... I wonder.

People say all sorts of things, doesn't make them all true. Mani was 'the seal of the prophets' too which you obviously don't believe. So why should he be right about 'comforter/advocate' (other than opportunistic cherry picking to support preconceived notions)?

Deut refers to Jews, there is nothing contextual that makes it remotely plausible that it refers to an Arab a millennium+ later.

Raise up a prophet (like Moses i.e. a prophet) from the Jews. The Quran acknowledges later Jewish prophets after all.
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
Website cited doesn't exist.
It's also found in the second post on the following forum thread:

http://www.pe****ta.org/forums/forumid6/1826.html

and quoted in the following book, written by Muslims, so I doubt it will carry any weight given your bias:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AxkoDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA651&lpg=PA651&dq=You+have+raised+an+important+question.+Why+indeed+are+there+any+Greek+words+in+the+"Aramaic+Scriptures?"+The+short+answer+is+that+you+were+working+with+the+"Pe****to"+which+is+otherwise+known+as+the+West+Palestinian+"Pe****ta"+that+was+made+to+conform+to+the+pre-Christian+Septuagint+of+the+Greek+church.&source=bl&ots=_okEWxiftn&sig=7gBDMFwhpPyVfxXRyprEL-VpjXA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimhvebp6DWAhVjFMAKHbfeCucQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=You have raised an important question. Why indeed are there any Greek words in the "Aramaic Scriptures?" The short answer is that you were working with the "Pe****to" which is otherwise known as the West Palestinian "Pe****ta" that was made to conform to the pre-Christian Septuagint of the Greek church.&f=false

People say all sorts of things, doesn't make them all true. Mani was 'the seal of the prophets' too which you obviously don't believe. So why should he be right about 'comforter/advocate' (other than opportunistic cherry picking to support preconceived notions)?

Deut refers to Jews, there is nothing contextual that makes it remotely plausible that it refers to an Arab a millennium+ later.

Raise up a prophet (like Moses i.e. a prophet) from the Jews. The Quran acknowledges later Jewish prophets after all.
Who was I showed you elsewhere Ishmaelites are considered brethren of the Israelites, and as most Jewish Scholars will testify Judaism and Islam have endured the test of time, and both are descendants of Abraham's covenant with God.

Plenty of non Muslims can see the link between the 'Praised One' and Muhammad pbuh:

Why a Christian Can View Muhammad As A Prophet | HuffPost

As for people claiming God has put his words into their mouths, bring forward their evidence and let's see.
 

Faithofchristian

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Christ Jesus said "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit"
Note ( Holy Spirit ) so how is this human Give answer.
Then Jesus said " whom the Father
(will send in My name)
So where did Muhammad say, he came in Jesus name, Give answer.

Then Jesus said "When he the Spirit of Truth is come, he will guide you into all truth"
How is Spirit of Truth human.
Give answer.
The Comforter and Spirit of Truth are all the same Spirit of Almighty God.
Not human.
 

Muslim-UK

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Premium Member
Christ Jesus said "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit"
Note ( Holy Spirit ) so how is this human Give answer.
Then Jesus said " whom the Father
(will send in My name)
So where did Muhammad say, he came in Jesus name, Give answer.

Then Jesus said "When he the Spirit of Truth is come, he will guide you into all truth"
How is Spirit of Truth human.
Give answer.
The Comforter and Spirit of Truth are all the same Spirit of Almighty God.
Not human.
John 14:16English Standard Version (ESV)

16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,[a] to be with you forever,

Footnotes:

[a]John 14:16 Or Advocate, or Counselor; also 14:26; 15:26; 16:7

What does he mean by another? He's likening himself to a comforter. <<<< Jesus pbuh was human, a human Prophet.

And remember he said, test the spirits to see if they are of God, as many PROPHETS, (spirits) would come.

You have not provided a single piece of advice that the Comforter heard from God and passed onto the Christians, remember Jesus pbuh said, He had MANY things to say, but they were unable to bear it and would have to wait for the 'Comforter'.

Is the Holy Spirit mute?

Muhammad pbuh came and praised Jesus pbuh. He explained the importance and status of Jesus pbuh as being one very close and beloved to Allah swt. The two Prophets came with the same message.
 
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