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Questions that evolutionists and billions of years proponents cannot answer but disprove their theories.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
But what does Leviticus 11:13 say in Hebrew? (That’s what really matters, doesn’t it? Because many translations are often misleading.)

The term used in Leviticus is “flying creatures”, which is הָע֔וֹף (hā·‘ō·wp̄)

Not “bird”, which is
צִפּ֥וֹר (ṣip·pō·wr)

The bat is certainly a “flying creature”!

A little research can do wonders, and keep people from being unwittingly dishonest.
Apparently Deuteronomy 14 11-18 uses "צִפּ֥וֹר"

The error is still there, even in the Hebrew.


 

McBell

Unbound
But what does Leviticus 11:13 say in Hebrew? (That’s what really matters, doesn’t it? Because many translations are often misleading.)

The term used in Leviticus is “flying creatures”, which is הָע֔וֹף (hā·‘ō·wp̄)

Not “bird”, which is
צִפּ֥וֹר (ṣip·pō·wr)

The bat is certainly a “flying creature”!

A little research can do wonders, and keep people from being unwittingly dishonest.
וְאֶת־אֵ֙לֶּה֙ תְּשַׁקְּצ֣וּ מִן־הָע֔וֹף לֹ֥א יֵאָכְל֖וּ שֶׁ֣קֶץ הֵ֑ם אֶת־הַנֶּ֙שֶׁר֙
וְאֶת־הַפֶּ֔רֶס וְאֵ֖ת הָעׇזְנִיָּֽה׃​


 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
וְאֶת־אֵ֙לֶּה֙ תְּשַׁקְּצ֣וּ מִן־הָע֔וֹף לֹ֥א יֵאָכְל֖וּ שֶׁ֣קֶץ הֵ֑ם אֶת־הַנֶּ֙שֶׁר֙
וְאֶת־הַפֶּ֔רֶס וְאֵ֖ת הָעׇזְנִיָּֽה׃​


Well that is just a big nothing.
So what?

Then bird and fowl include all flying creatures except insects.

So no error at all.

Now back to a real discussion.

What was the first living creature?
Without a first living creature, which is impossible without God, all of evolution and billions of years is a lie.
 

McBell

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Apparently Deuteronomy 14 11-18 uses "צִפּ֥וֹר"

The error is still there, even in the Hebrew.


My post #442 shows where I found online the other word being used, but also that it means bird according to Hebrew to English online translation.

But then I found this in the King James Concordance:
H6833​
צפּר / צפּור​
tsippôr​

Total KJV Occurrences: 40​

bird, 21​
Gen_7:14, Lev_14:6-7 (4), Lev_14:51-53 (5), Job_41:5, Psa_11:1, Psa_124:7, Pro_6:5, Pro_7:23, Pro_26:2, Pro_27:8, Ecc_12:4, Lam_3:52, Hos_11:11, Amo_3:5​

birds, 10​
Gen_15:10, Lev_14:4-5 (2), Lev_14:49-50 (2), Deu_14:11, Psa_104:17, Ecc_9:12, Isa_31:5, Eze_39:4​

fowl, 5​
Deu_4:17, Psa_8:8, Psa_148:10, Eze_17:23, Eze_39:17​

sparrow, 2​
Psa_84:3, Psa_102:7​

bird’s, 1​
Deu_22:6​

fowls, 1​
Neh_5:18​

and this in Strongs:
H6833​
צִפֹּר צִפּוֹר​
tsippôr tsippôr​
tsip-pore', tsip-pore'​
From H6852; a little bird (as hopping): - bird, fowl, sparrow.​
Total KJV occurrences: 40​

and this in Brown-Driver-Biggs:
H6833​
צפּר / צפּור​
tsippôr​
BDB Definition:​
1) bird, fowl​
1a) bird (singular)​
1b) birds (collective)​
Part of Speech: noun feminine​
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6852​
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
My post #442 shows where I found online the other word being used, but also that it means bird according to Hebrew to English online translation.

But then I found this in the King James Concordance:
H6833​
צפּר / צפּור​
tsippôr​

Total KJV Occurrences: 40​

bird, 21​
Gen_7:14, Lev_14:6-7 (4), Lev_14:51-53 (5), Job_41:5, Psa_11:1, Psa_124:7, Pro_6:5, Pro_7:23, Pro_26:2, Pro_27:8, Ecc_12:4, Lam_3:52, Hos_11:11, Amo_3:5​

birds, 10​
Gen_15:10, Lev_14:4-5 (2), Lev_14:49-50 (2), Deu_14:11, Psa_104:17, Ecc_9:12, Isa_31:5, Eze_39:4​

fowl, 5​
Deu_4:17, Psa_8:8, Psa_148:10, Eze_17:23, Eze_39:17​

sparrow, 2​
Psa_84:3, Psa_102:7​

bird’s, 1​
Deu_22:6​

fowls, 1​
Neh_5:18​

and this in Strongs:
H6833​
צִפֹּר צִפּוֹר​
tsippôr tsippôr​
tsip-pore', tsip-pore'​
From H6852; a little bird (as hopping): - bird, fowl, sparrow.​
Total KJV occurrences: 40​

and this in Brown-Driver-Biggs:
H6833​
צפּר / צפּור​
tsippôr​
BDB Definition:​
1) bird, fowl​
1a) bird (singular)​
1b) birds (collective)​
Part of Speech: noun feminine​
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6852​
Big deal,

What was the first living creature?
I have destroyed the theory of evolition.
 

McBell

Unbound
Well that is just a big nothing.
So what?

Then bird and fowl include all flying creatures except insects.

So no error at all.

Now back to a real discussion.

What was the first living creature?
Without a first living creature, which is impossible without God, all of evolution and billions of years is a lie.
good grief.
If this is your best interpretation of what is in the post you replied to, you would be much better off not replying.
 

McBell

Unbound
Big deal,

What was the first living creature?
I have destroyed the theory of evolition.
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SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
More bearing false witness,
You just can not help yourself, can you?
there you go again with the bearing false witness.
You just can't help yourself, can you?

So you have no rational answer for the first creature?
You see that is just one of the many fatal weaknesses of evolution and billions of years, one of its greatest delusions for those that believe that religion and its god, Satan.
 

McBell

Unbound
there you go again with the bearing false witness.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
there you go again with the bearing false witness.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
So you have no rational answer for the first creature?
Already answered.
By multiple persons in multiple threads.
You see that is just one of the many fatal weaknesses of evolution and billions of years, one of its greatest delusions for those that believe that religion and its god, Satan.
there you go again with the bearing false witness.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
there you go again with the bearing false witness.
You just can't help yourself, can you?

Already answered.
By multiple persons in multiple threads.

there you go again with the bearing false witness.
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Pleas for the love of God stop falsely accusing me.

what was the first living thinng?
How did feathers evolve, since they are too intricate to have done so through evolution.
 

McBell

Unbound
Pleas for the love of God stop falsely accusing me.
Stop bearing false witness and I will stop pointing it out.
Simple really.

what was the first living thinng?
Already answered
By multiple people in multiple threads.
How did feathers evolve, since they are too intricate to have done so through evolution.
Already answered
By multiple people in multiple threads.

Perhaps you should come up with a new song and dance?
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Stop bearing false witness and I will stop pointing it out.
Simple really.


Already answered
By multiple people in multiple threads.

Already answered
By multiple people in multiple threads.

Perhaps you should come up with a new song and dance?
Stop the garbage and all the false accusations.
What was the first living creature?
What caused the Big Bang?
 
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