Quran and Science : Just wanted some comments

[MFaraz_Hayat]

There have beem nay books made, of Arabs travelling to India almost 1000 years ago, compiling what tehy saw. All the natural sciences of the world which induism intoduced to this world.

I cant reallly find a source on the internet for this, i have it on a book, in my pile of MILLIONs of books.

Well Quran was compiled 1600 years before.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

How can eh Quran, a medieval book contain all this knowledge? Revelation of god? Most people would consider this a joke. If they had done experiments in the time to prove htier thoughts and made the quaran... Maybe this sounds better, maybe it was a textbook at the time, maybe some bozo put god in.

Quran is not a science text book. Apart from many such scientific verses, there is a complete system of government presented in it. Simultaneously, it tells humans to be good individuals and how. It is also a literary master piece. Would you like it if someone calls Holy Hindu Scriptures a joke? Despite, you knowing the fact that it is true?

 

[Wandered Off]

“Those who reject
our signs,
We shall soon
cast into the Fire;
as often as their skins
are roasted through,
We shall change them
for fresh skins,
that they may taste
the Penalty:
for Allah is Exalted
in Power, Wise.”
[Al-Qur’an 4:56]

There is nothing exalted or wise in inflicting that kind of cruelty, only power. IMO, it indicates extreme insecurity and fear of disbelief, which is why to me it does not ring divine.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

There is nothing exalted or wise in inflicting that kind of cruelty, only power. IMO, it indicates extreme insecurity and fear of disbelief, which is why to me it does not ring divine.

It is talking about punishment delivered to unbelievers in Hell. The concerned topic is science and Quran. You want to discuss this problem, take it to other threads like "What you feel is wrong with Islam" in religious debates forum.
Cruelty, if sinners are being punished? And the point was that Quran talks about skin....

 

[McBell]

It is talking about punishment delivered to unbelievers in Hell. The concerned topic is science and Quran. You want to discuss this problem, take it to other threads like "What you feel is wrong with Islam" in religious debates forum.
Cruelty, if sinners are being punished? And the point was that Quran talks about skin....

Then perhaps you should not have presented the verse if you refuse to discuss it.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Then perhaps you should not have presented the verse if you refuse to discuss it.

I presented it because of it's scientific significance, not to explain why sinners are being punished. Read the topic title..... . In fact, check the forum.
SCIENCE VS. RELIGION

 

[McBell]

I presented it because of it's scientific significance, not to explain why sinners are being punished. Read the topic title..... . In fact, check the forum.
SCIENCE VS. RELIGION

Wow.
This attitude is the reason that I have stayed out of the thread,.
Thank you for the reminder.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Wow.
This attitude is the reason that I have stayed out of the thread,.
Thank you for the reminder.

What attitude? I am sorry, if that has offended you? I just wish to imply that can't we just stick to the topic?
Those people being referred to are sinners. Is it so bad to punish a sinner? I believe that scientific significance of the verse is not being considered.

 

[credance]

Why, isn't the Quran enough? It was sent for all eternity.

Fortunately most people do not believe this.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Fortunately most people do not believe this.

Fortunately? From your point of view maybe. Look, my job as a muslim is only to deliver the message of God. Whether u accept it or not, it's totally up to you. I mean, I cannot force you to accept Islam, It goes against my religion: "Let there be no compulsion in religion" (Quran). Whether u accept the message or no, it's up to you. Insha Allah, on Day Of Judgment we will see.

 

[Wandered Off]

I believe that scientific significance of the verse is not being considered.

Then the significance would be that we now have scientific evidence of divine cruelty?

 

[McBell]

What attitude? I am sorry, if that has offended you? I just wish to imply that can't we just stick to the topic?
Those people being referred to are sinners. Is it so bad to punish a sinner? I believe that scientific significance of the verse is not being considered.

What science in that verse?
Pain receptors?
That is a stretch even for this forer effect thread.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Then the significance would be that we now have scientific evidence of divine cruelty?

Scientific? I am happy to see that you accept at least some part of Quran scientific.
The people being punished are sinners. Would you like to see sinners in heaven, so that they are actually being rewarded for sinning? Refer to post 77 for scientific significance. I think that u did not read the entire post.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

What science in that verse?
Pain receptors?
That is a stretch even for this forer effect thread.

Man, I am really getting tired of you guyz just coming up with random explanations for all verses. ( Not directed at Mestemia)
The fact of pain receptors being in skin was discovered only recently, as you must have seen in my post. Now was this too somehow known at that time?

 

[Wandered Off]

Scientific? I am happy to see that you accept at least some part of Quran scientific.

It was a question as to what significance you were trying to suggest. That said, it seems rather obvious that if you burn someone's skin off, you're going to have to replace it if you want to burn more skin off. Doesn't seem particularly significant scientifically.

The people being punished are sinners. Would you like to see sinners in heaven, so that they are actually being rewarded for sinning?

There is no sin any human could possibly commit that would justify this kind of eternal punishment. None at all. But I will agree with you that this is not a scientific point.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

It was a question as to what significance you were trying to suggest. That said, it seems rather obvious that if you burn someone's skin off, you're going to have to replace it if you want to burn more skin off. Doesn't seem particularly significant scientifically.

There is no sin any human could possibly commit that would justify this kind of eternal punishment. None at all. But I will agree with you that this is not a scientific point.

Read the verse again. Quran clearly states that skins will be restored, so that they face Penalty ( experience pain). A person still burns when the skin is removed, but feels less pain. That is the reason why second degree burns are more painful than third degree burns. In third degree pain receptors themselves are damaged.
It is differing opinion.I think that a rapist should be punished in this manner.

 

[Panda]

Man, I am really getting tired of you guyz just coming up with random explanations for all verses. ( Not directed at Mestemia)
The fact of pain receptors being in skin was discovered only recently, as you must have seen in my post. Now was this too somehow known at that time?

Actually at the time it would have made perfect sense for it to be thought the pain was experienced in the skin.
Furthermore you are using this wrongly. The nerves in your skin transmit an electrical signal to your brain, you brain interprets this as pain. The pain is not experienced in the skin.

 

[Panda]

Read the verse again. Quran clearly states that skins will be restored, so that they face Penalty ( experience pain). A person still burns when the skin is removed, but feels less pain. That is the reason why second degree burns are more painful than third degree burns. In third degree pain receptors themselves are damaged.

True but no where here in any sort of scientific facts quoted or explained.

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Actually at the time it would have made perfect sense for it to be thought the pain was experienced in the skin.
Furthermore you are using this wrongly. The nerves in your skin transmit an electrical signal to your brain, you brain interprets this as pain. The pain is not experienced in the skin.

The pain is felt due to the pain receptors in skin.These receptors send the electrical nerve impulse to the brain.
If the skin is deeply damaged, third degree burns, the pain receptors are destroyed. Therefore these burns are less painful than second degree burns.
Please also comment on: post number 74,46 and 1 (original post).

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

True but no where here in any sort of scientific facts quoted or explained.

Sorry but I was unable to understand the comment. Can u explain?