Quran and women

[paarsurrey]

Do you believe there's no need for a marriage contract between them as well ?

Thanks for joining the discussion, now we wait for friend Shad to resume his argument. Why friend Shad ignored 49 usages of the root word d.r.b in Quran that don't suit him and insists on 9 usages that suit him.
Those who are not familiar with the argument of friend Shad and friend FearGod may like to read posts #491,#501 ,#507 ,#517 #521,#533,#567,#573 just for information.
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[paarsurrey]

Atheists normally have enough intelligence to notice that women and men are equal.
A book is not needed to tell us something so basic.
And that you do need a book says a lot.

So do the Theists.
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[Deathbydefault]

So do the Theists.
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Alright, so you can tell me why men and women are equal without referring to your book then?
Without referring to any book would be best.

 

[paarsurrey]

There are thousands of women out there that can whoop us like they were ripping wet paper.
Not to mention every woman that has given birth is almost automatically tougher than most men.
I don't know if you were joking with your post or not.
But, if you weren't, consider it invalidated

Yet women are delicate and tender.
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[Deathbydefault]

Yet women are delicate and tender.
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I have met more delicate and tender men at an arm wrestling contest.
Your definitions of "delicate" and "tender" must be very broad.

Also, try hitting one of those girls in the gut.
See how tender it feels.

 

[paarsurrey]

I have met more delicate and tender men at an arm wrestling contest.
Your definitions of "delicate" and "tender" must be very broad.
Also, try hitting one of those girls in the gut.
See how tender it feels.

Yet women are delicate, tender and beautiful. Please
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[Deathbydefault]

Yet women are delicate, tender and beautiful. Please
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Obviously we're talking opinions and not facts here.
I'll drop the subject.

 

[Parsimony]

Yet women are delicate, tender and beautiful. Please
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Generalizing much?

 

[paarsurrey]

Now because women and men are equal as Quran indicates and as I also stand witness to it yet women and men have superiority over the other in one aspect of life or the other. Quran, therefore, gives a good advice to men:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa' النِّسَاء
[4:20] O ye who believe! it is not lawful for you to inherit women against their will; nor should you detain them wrongfully that you may take away part of that which you have given them, except that they be guilty of a flagrant evil; and consort with them in kindness; and if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing wherein Allah has placed much good.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=4&verse=19

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[paarsurrey]

Generalizing much?

You have some other opinion?! Humans differ with one another, that is one aspect of being a human. Right?
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[leibowde84]

The Atheists don't rest with "simple lack of belief" they usually go ahead further and become Anti-Theists.
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This is not true according to what I have seen, but why do you think that "most atheists become anti-theists?" I mean, that is a pretty strong statement. Can you back it up at all?

 

[Parsimony]

You have some other opinion?! Humans differ with one another, that is one aspect of being a human. Right?
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That's exactly the point: individuals will differ. Some women are tender, delicate and beautiful while others are not.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yet women are delicate and tender.
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You don't know many women, do you?

 

[Shad]

Thanks for joining the discussion, now we wait for friend Shad to resume his argument. Why friend Shad ignored 49 usages of the root word d.r.b in Quran that don't suit him and insists on 9 usages that suit him.
Those who are not familiar with the argument of friend Shad and friend FearGod may like to read posts #491,#501 ,#507 ,#517 #521,#533,#567,#573 just for information.
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Your point is irrelevant since the lexicon and ahadith support my view. You have to ignore the language and secondary Islamic texts about the verse in question to extradite your religion from what the text says. Why are you ignoring the verse's lexicon and translation? You are ignoring context, which Muslims love to remind everyone about. Beside if you look at those other verse many still about strike people thus further confirms this is what the word means. Read your own citations.

 

[FearGod]

Thanks for joining the discussion, now we wait for friend Shad to resume his argument. Why friend Shad ignored 49 usages of the root word d.r.b in Quran that don't suit him and insists on 9 usages that suit him.
Those who are not familiar with the argument of friend Shad and friend FearGod may like to read posts #491,#501 ,#507 ,#517 #521,#533,#567,#573 just for information.
Regards

Here's a sentence from the Arabic classical language about the word "ضرب", which means leaving
وضَرَبَت الطيرُ: ذَهَبَتْ , the word ضرب here means leaving the place.
http://www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=ضرب

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Yet women are delicate and tender.
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Any statement about what women 'are' is an over-generalisation.
To put it in context, think of a single statement that encapsulates all Muslims, regardless of where they live, whether they are Sunni, Shi'ite, Quranists, fundamentalists, liberals, etc. Now triple the amount of people in the group. That is what you are doing.

Further, if you build a mental construct, a box if you will, and then live in a culture that promotes that same mental construct, then amazingly enough it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy which people then turn and point to as 'proof' the construct was accurate.
There are, literally, millions of examples of this through history.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

That's exactly the point: individuals will differ. Some women are tender, delicate and beautiful while others are not.

Nevermind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I'd prefer my women a little less on the delicate side.

 

[paarsurrey]

Your point is irrelevant since the lexicon and ahadith support my view. You have to ignore the language and secondary Islamic texts about the verse in question to extradite your religion from what the text says. Why are you ignoring the verse's lexicon and translation? You are ignoring context, which Muslims love to remind everyone about. Beside if you look at those other verse many still about strike people thus further confirms this is what the word means. Read your own citations.

Welcome for joining it.
You are simply wrong. When we discuss Quran we focus on it and the context given by it as advised by G-d in Quran:

[38:30] This is a Book which We have revealed to thee, full of blessings, that they may reflect over its verses, and that those gifted with understanding may take heed.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=38&verse=30

FearGod is just doing that.
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Now because women and men are equal as Quran indicates and as I also stand witness to it yet women and men have superiority over the other in one aspect of life or the other. Quran, therefore, gives a good advice to men:

You do not understand well your religion
Four verse of Nisa
Does not mean equalityAnd offer you their interpretation
Scientifically that there is a difference in interpretation
They are obliged to come out by the bees for the rule to the rule of trade-offs. The attachment that each one of the spouses has his neighbor offset in the marriage contract, and to increase the dowry is not well; But it shall dowry to the husband to have the Sultanate on women, and come down with it the status of the owner with owned with made-Awad in it, so the utility so it is not fast without his permission, nor pilgrimage without his permission, nor depart from her house without his permission, and respect his judgment of her property the whole so as not to be her only a third of it, what do you think Bbdnha

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Here's a sentence from the Arabic classical language about the word "ضرب", which means leaving
وضَرَبَت الطيرُ: ذَهَبَتْ , the word ضرب here means leaving the place

Since thousand four hundred years Muslims explains the wordاضربوهن And mean reaction
It is you
But Muslims want to mislead people today OK --
Do you kindly and give me the meaning اضربوهن
With professors they read what I wrote you in benchtop translate verses with different meanings. And they say that the beating is not in the true meaning of this verse.They want to keep up with the times and not to distort the image of Islam and if -bzaamanm- verse ordered the beating of women starting
Imams and without them interpretations that are transferred brother Aba civil planter above

The problem is that there Flana of people when any suspicion about Islam begins to distort and justify it comes out of her justifications do not

Islam spread by the sword .. Yes spread by the sword, but when believers are fighting starts or is there a correspondence with opponents before that? !!

Koran ordered the beating of women is beaten .. Yes, but Are there restrictions and conditions for this beating and beating is starting AreThese are some of the views of the elders of the Muslims on the meaning of the word يضربون Why violate your religion, man and trying to provide us with Islam that you do not know