Quran is free of errors

[Alla Prima]

[QUOTE:Alla Prima]This is a clear example of why I believe Islam is so harmful to the human family. It is anti-freedom placing itself not only supreme in all religions but a religion that stands alone in value. It literally tells us all who our 'God' is and where we come from. This is tyranny.

Response: That's right. Islam is anti-freedom and rightfully so. With freedom comes restriction. No one should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, and how they want to do it. That is why islam is a much better idea.

Quote: Alla Prima
Sorry but you don't get to tell me who my 'God' is or who I must worship without opposition. You don't get to get away with that.

Response: I could say the same but I won't. That is because islam allows you the freedom to say such things unlike your beliefs which tell me that I can't, thus demonstrating another beauty in islam and the lack thereof in your belief system.

I never said you couldn't say such things. Read my comment. I said you don't get to say them without opposition.

 

[.lava]

if, as you say, Islam should be the only religion in the world, how would you say that would be accomplished by any means other than force?

or is it just something you say, and have no intention of trying to do? wouldnt allah be mad at you for not trying to convert the world?

3:19 The Religion before Allah is Islam...

Qur'an does not say religion should be Islam. it says religion before Allah IS Islam.

verses of Qur'an also says;

11:118 And if your Lord had pleased He would certainly have made people a single nation, and they shall continue to differ.

one verse refers to Prophet;

10:99 And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

people are given freedom so they can chose their own path. in Islam, sincerety matters very much. a Muslim should be a volunteer to follow commands of Allah.


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[JMorris]

3:19 The Religion before Allah is Islam...

Qur'an does not say religion should be Islam. it says religion before Allah IS Islam.

verses of Qur'an also says;

11:118 And if your Lord had pleased He would certainly have made people a single nation, and they shall continue to differ.

one verse refers to Prophet;

10:99 And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

people are given freedom so they can chose their own path. in Islam, sincerety matters very much. a Muslim should be a volunteer to follow commands of Allah.


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so you say, people of the world should be converted to islam. but not by force. that muslims must set a good example, so that non-muslims will want to convert on their own?

 

[Alla Prima]

Qur'an does not say religion should be Islam. it says religion before Allah IS Islam.

Thus negating the religious sensibilities of billions of people.

 

[.lava]

so you say, people of the world should be converted to islam. but not by force. that muslims must set a good example, so that non-muslims will want to convert on their own?

not quite. everyone has a belief but Qur'an says that only religion that Allah accepts is Islam. as in submission to one creator. yet that does not mean whole population of Earth should be Islam. it is not going to happen. people would have different beliefs. there would be diversity.

of course people should make their own desicion and convert on their own. you can not be on the path that leads Allah if you do not love Allah. therefor it is said that God looks within hearts, not what you say or do or wear...etc.


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[.lava]

Thus negating the religious sensibilities of billions of people.

you are talking about religious sensibilities...gotta be kidding me. look, this is Qur'anic debate DIR, if you can't handle what Qur'an says, it is fine but you should stop expecting Muslims not to talk about Qur'an on Qur'anic DIR. got it?


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[JMorris]

i honestly didnt even know i was in the Quranic DIR. i just go to the active threads.

 

[Fatihah]

sweet friend, those examples you give are illegal in non-Muslim cultures as well. when you say Islam is anti-freedom it sounds like Islam enslaves you and ends your individuality.


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Response: Depending on your understanding of the term. Freedom means the ability to do whatever you want with no restraint or restriction. So anti-freedom would mean to be against a person doing whatever they want with no restrictions which is what islam does. So if you understand otherwise, it seems to be due to your understanding of the term. However, islam does not enslave a person's individuality. Sorry if you took it that way.

 

[Fatihah]

if, as you say, Islam should be the only religion in the world, how would you say that would be accomplished by any means other than force?

or is it just something you say, and have no intention of trying to do? wouldnt allah be mad at you for not trying to convert the world?

Response: The spreading of islam would be done in the same manner in which I am embracing you; through conversation and courtesy.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Depending on your understanding of the term. Freedom means the ability to do whatever you want with no restraint or restriction. So anti-freedom would mean to be against a person doing whatever they want with no restrictions which is what islam does. So if you understand otherwise, it seems to be due to your understanding of the term. However, islam does not enslave a person's individuality. Sorry if you took it that way.

Fatihah, i understand what your trying to say. but that isnt what "anti-freedom" means. anti-freedom means against freedom, NO freedom.

to better get your point across, you should use the term "limited freedom" or "freedom within reason". or simply say "no anarchy" or something like that. when you say islam is anti-freedom, it looks like your saying there isnt any freedom allowed in Islam.

if you continue to use this phrase, i will assume you think no freedom is allowed in Islam.

 

[JMorris]

Response: The spreading of islam would be done in the same manner in which I am embracing you; through conversation and courtesy.

fair enough

 

[.lava]

Response: Depending on your understanding of the term. Freedom means the ability to do whatever you want with no restraint or restriction. So anti-freedom would mean to be against a person doing whatever they want with no restrictions which is what islam does. So if you understand otherwise, it seems to be due to your understanding of the term. However, islam does not enslave a person's individuality. Sorry if you took it that way.

thank you for explaining Fatihah but you should know people would probably misunderstand you when you say Islam is anti-freedom. i think it is very important to be understood correctly. anti means like "not at all" or "against it all together". for example if i say Islam is anti-terror, it means terror is never allowed in Islam, which is true btw.


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[Alla Prima]

you are talking about religious sensibilities...gotta be kidding me. look, this is Qur'anic debate DIR, if you can't handle what Qur'an says, it is fine but you should stop expecting Muslims not to talk about Qur'an on Qur'anic DIR. got it?


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Why do you continually misrepresent what I'm saying? I have never said Muslims should not talk about Koran. Got it?

 

[.lava]

Why do you continually misrepresent what I'm saying? I have never said Muslims should not talk about Koran. Got it?

so...is there anything you would like to ask about Qur'an?


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[Alla Prima]

so...is there anything you would like to ask about Qur'an?


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You didn't answer my question.

 

[JMorris]

yea, why is the Genie in Alladin portrayed as a good guy, when in Islam, (i dont remember how to spell it) Jin? are obviously evil. are they not the same thing?

 

[Zephyr]

yea, why is the Genie in Alladin portrayed as a good guy, when in Islam, (i dont remember how to spell it) Jin? are obviously evil. are they not the same thing?

Why is Aladdin himself portrayed as some midwestern-accented white boy while Jafar is more...ethnic looking?

 

[JMorris]

i wouldnt call him a "white boy", he obviously has brown skin. but i see what your saying his voice is white american, while its Jafar that has the accent

come to think of it, the same kind of thing happened in the Lion King with Scar.

 

[.lava]

yea, why is the Genie in Alladin portrayed as a good guy, when in Islam, (i dont remember how to spell it) Jin? are obviously evil. are they not the same thing?

jinns are not all evil. evil jinns are called demon.


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[JMorris]

jinns are not all evil. evil jinns are called demon.


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ok, i thought it was stupid Disney being......stupid:thud: