riverfox
A slave of Allah (swt)
No, Islam should be the driver of all people,but you judge it by thoese who are not following it. Again don't judge a car by its driver.
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riverfox
A slave of Allah (swt)
Did you really read this?
1. Definition of the word fundamentalist
A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.
4. Dictionary meaning of the word fundamentalist
According to Websters dictionary fundamentalism was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.
According to the Oxford dictionary fundamentalismmeans strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam.
Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
Do you agree with my definition which is similar to yours?
riverfox
A slave of Allah (swt)
It's not mine
1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’
A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.
This is what you are refering to,and what probably you didn't read:
4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’
According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.
According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.
Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.
1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’
A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.
This is what you are refering to,and what probably you didn't read:
4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’
According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.
According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.
Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.
[QUOTE:Alla Prima]This is a clear example of why I believe Islam is so harmful to the human family. It is anti-freedom placing itself not only supreme in all religions but a religion that stands alone in value. It literally tells us all who our 'God' is and where we come from. This is tyranny.
Response: That's right. Islam is anti-freedom and rightfully so. With freedom comes restriction. No one should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, and how they want to do it. That is why islam is a much better idea.
Quote: Alla Prima
Sorry but you don't get to tell me who my 'God' is or who I must worship without opposition. You don't get to get away with that.
Response: I could say the same but I won't. That is because islam allows you the freedom to say such things unlike your beliefs which tell me that I can't, thus demonstrating another beauty in islam and the lack thereof in your belief system.
Response: That's right. Islam is anti-freedom and rightfully so. With freedom comes restriction. No one should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, and how they want to do it. That is why islam is a much better idea.
Quote: Alla Prima
Sorry but you don't get to tell me who my 'God' is or who I must worship without opposition. You don't get to get away with that.
Response: I could say the same but I won't. That is because islam allows you the freedom to say such things unlike your beliefs which tell me that I can't, thus demonstrating another beauty in islam and the lack thereof in your belief system.
.lava
Veteran Member
i do not wish to repeat same mistake again. so, i would request you to explain what you are saying here. from what i know and from what i experience i can say Islam IS freeing, it is not anti-freedom.
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
are you even aware of how self contradictory you are?
first you say: "That's right. Islam is anti-freedom and rightfully so. With freedom comes restriction. No one should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, and how they want to do it."
then you say: "That is because islam allows you the freedom to say such things"
so which is it? is islam anti-freedom, or pro-freedom?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Yep, newspeak is alive and well in the real world.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
no acknowledgment of truth here buddy! Off to room 101 you go!
.lava
Veteran Member
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
indeed, i am much more interested in what you believe in Islam. you seem to be the only reasonable muslim on this forum. maybe i havent met all of them? but your the only one ive seen that is reasonable.
that is not to say i think you are the ONLY reasonable muslim in the world, ive known other reasonable muslims in my time. you just seem to be the only one on this forum.
.lava
Veteran Member
there is nothing personal, i would prove my statements with verses of Qur'an. i am taught this way. i was invited to research, to think, to investigate because God does not want slaves, it wants servants.
other Muslims here and I, we all come from different cultures. Islam unites us but we still have disagreements. imo it is normal. also, speaking a second language and explainin your path is not that easy. i believe some statements of Muslims here contradict or sounds poor because of their English.
i know many people who has deeper knowledge than i have on Qur'an. they spend much more time in religion, they are older and wiser. but they do not speak English.
anyways...OK to ask questions
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Response: Try reading the post again. I said that Islam is against a person having the ability to have complete freedom to do whatever they want. Anti-freedom does not mean to be against all types of freedom. You just quoted me saying "with freedom comes restriction", thus showing me to say that islam permits freedom but to an extent.
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
there is nothing personal, i would prove my statements with verses of Qur'an. i am taught this way. i was invited to research, to think, to investigate because God does not want slaves, it wants servants.
other Muslims here and I, we all come from different cultures. Islam unites us but we still have disagreements. imo it is normal. also, speaking a second language and explainin your path is not that easy. i believe some statements of Muslims here contradict or sounds poor because of their English.
i know many people who has deeper knowledge than i have on Qur'an. they spend much more time in religion, they are older and wiser. but they do not speak English.
anyways...OK to ask questions
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i am aware English isnt their first language. and i give room for grammatical mistakes. but alot of what they say has nothing to do with their grasp of the language, their just unreasonable.
as i understand, you are Turkish? so, while i am not an expert on Muslim cultures, i can generally understand where there would be cultural differences. as ive also looked in on some of these differences in some other Muslim threads.
like i said, i have met, and become friends with some muslims before. and im aware there is a difference between reasonable moderates, and more hardline muslims. just like any religion, Islam can be interpretted anyway a person wants. so it is not Islam in of itself that is at fault when it comes to unreasonable hardliners, it is the hardliners themselves.
so id just like to point out, Islam isn NOT "tyranny", otherwise there wouldnt be muslims like lava.
[QUOTE:lava]i do not wish to repeat same mistake again. so, i would request you to explain what you are saying here. from what i know and from what i experience i can say Islam IS freeing, it is not anti-freedom.[/FONT]
Response: Sure. If you notice from the rest of the post, I said islam does not permit the freedom to do whatever you want. Can I kill whoever I want for whatever reason? Can I rape? Steal?
Yes you have freeddom in islam but to a certain degree. Hope that's clear enough.
Response: Sure. If you notice from the rest of the post, I said islam does not permit the freedom to do whatever you want. Can I kill whoever I want for whatever reason? Can I rape? Steal?
Yes you have freeddom in islam but to a certain degree. Hope that's clear enough.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
anti-freedom means AGAINST freedom. NO freedom.
if you want to say Islam gives LIMITED freedom, then thats what you need to say.
i have no problem with muslims saying everyone should be muslim. a lot of religions say that everyone should be part of their religion. so long as its only SAYING, and not ACTIVELY TRYING TO FORCE everyone in the world to be muslim.
i am not one of those americans that thinks of all Muslims are terrorists, ive had a few very reasonable muslim friends. but i am aware that there are reasonable muslims, who have a live and let live attitude towards other religious beliefe. but i am also aware, there are muslims who think that there should be no religion but Islam.
and if you are agressively trying to diminish all other religions, then from a western perspective (particuarly american) it looks like, even tho your NOT a terrorist, you may SYMPATHISE with them.
if the roles were reversed, you would probably think the same way.
.lava
Veteran Member
sweet friend, those examples you give are illegal in non-Muslim cultures as well. when you say Islam is anti-freedom it sounds like Islam enslaves you and ends your individuality.
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
indeed, the exact same could be said of Christianity, and many other religions. im not aware of any that say you can do ANYTHING you want, kill, steal, rape, ect.
[QUOTE:JMorris]anti-freedom means AGAINST freedom. NO freedom.
if you want to say Islam gives LIMITED freedom, then thats what you need to say.
Response: No I don't. I said islam resticts certain freedom. To restrict certain freedom is the same as limiting freedom.
Quote: JMorris
i am not one of those americans that thinks of all Muslims are terrorists, ive had a few very reasonable muslim friends. but i am aware that there are reasonable muslims, who have a live and let live attitude towards other religious beliefe. but i am also aware, there are muslims who think that there should be no religion but Islam.
Response: Every muslim believes that there should be no religion but islam and there is nothing wrong with that. If a muslim believed otherwise then that would mean they believe that it's o.k. in Allah's view for people to not worship him and not follow the sunnah and no muslim believes this. It only becomes wrong when someone forces this belief on you.
if you want to say Islam gives LIMITED freedom, then thats what you need to say.
Response: No I don't. I said islam resticts certain freedom. To restrict certain freedom is the same as limiting freedom.
Quote: JMorris
i am not one of those americans that thinks of all Muslims are terrorists, ive had a few very reasonable muslim friends. but i am aware that there are reasonable muslims, who have a live and let live attitude towards other religious beliefe. but i am also aware, there are muslims who think that there should be no religion but Islam.
Response: Every muslim believes that there should be no religion but islam and there is nothing wrong with that. If a muslim believed otherwise then that would mean they believe that it's o.k. in Allah's view for people to not worship him and not follow the sunnah and no muslim believes this. It only becomes wrong when someone forces this belief on you.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
if, as you say, Islam should be the only religion in the world, how would you say that would be accomplished by any means other than force?
or is it just something you say, and have no intention of trying to do? wouldnt allah be mad at you for not trying to convert the world?