Quran is free of errors

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:gnostic]I was not asking if you think or believe that the Qur'an ITSELF was true.

We were debating on GOD CREATING HUMAN OUT OF CLAY, and I was asking if could observe, test and validate any of this, HENCE I was asking you for proof. And you said "yes" and "yes" and then "no".

What do you think I was talking about?


Can you provide a single shred of your so-called "scientific" evidence (about human created out of clay) to support YOUR CLAIM as well as the claim of the Qur'an?

Which is it, yes or no?(End quote)

Response: Perhaps you should read post 1033 very slowly. It's written in simple english. If you can't grasp it, then that is your problem, not mine.

Quote: gnostic
If you say "yes" then where is this evidence?

Do you understand yet, what I am saying?(End quote)

Response: The proof of the qur'an's authenticity is in post 961 of page 97. As for evidence that supports that man is made from clay, look at your own responses. I've repeatedly said that the elements that make up clay can be found in us. You have no evidence to prove the contrary. So your own evidence is in support of mine.

Quote: gnostic
Because so far, none of us who has been debating with you, have read detail of your evidences. You have not given us anything. WHERE ARE THEY?

My goodness, you are so thick. We repeatedly ask you again and again and again, but you always say that you have one, but we have not seen them.(End quote)

Response: And I repeatedly tell you the same answer and yet you ask the same question. You have nothing, absolutely nothing to show that man is not from clay. You have absolutely nothing to show that the elements of clay are not in us. Yes we can clearly see who is "thick".

 

[darkendless]

Response: Likewise, you haven't produced a single piece of proof showing man not to be made of clay. As for my evidence, you've already done it for me in post 988 of page 99.

Actually, he has.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Likewise, you haven't produced a single piece of proof showing man not to be made of clay. As for my evidence, you've already done it for me in post 988 of page 99.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Likewise, you haven't produced a single piece of proof showing man not to be made of clay. As for my evidence, you've already done it for me in post 988 of page 99.

would you like to even attempt to explain how my post proved your point, when you cant even prove your point?

 

[JMorris]

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

 

[Alla Prima]

can i ask if we are not made out of clau then why is eating clay good for you?

Flawed logic. Anything that's good for us we're necessarily made from? Nonsense. Babies are not made out of their mother's milk but drinking her milk is good for them.

 

[JMorris]

go dig up some clay and bite a big chunk of it, see how good that makes you feel

 

[Alla Prima]

[QUOTE:gnostic]You have nothing, absolutely nothing to show that man is not from clay.

You're in denial dude. Post 1029

You have absolutely nothing to show that the elements of clay are not in us. Yes we can clearly see who is "thick".

You're thick if you don't get this:


Our body

Oxygen 65
Carbon 18
Hydrogen 10
Nitrogen 3
Calcium 1.5
Phosphorus 1.2
Potassium 0.2
Sulfur 0.2
Chlorine 0.2
Sodium 0.1
Magnesium 0.05
Iron 3.8g in men, 2.3g in women
Cobalt, Copper, Zinc, Iodine < 0.05 each
Selenium, Fluorine < 0.01 each

clay

60% clay minerals
30% quartz and chert
5% feldspar
4% carbonates
1% organic matter
1% iron oxides

 

[Alla Prima]

Actually, he has.

I don't believe he's able to. It would violate the teachings of Islam.

 

[gnostic]

You keep saying that you have scientific evidence but you have none.

Just because there are elements like silicon, it is so tiny, it is not enough to make clay and there are no present of clay. Clay is a pretty specific compound, of several elements, and there are no silicates, you simpleton.

Have you none understood that yet?

Man, you really don't understand a single thing about chemistry and biology. And if you don't understand you shouldn't be making claim on it. You're only make yourself look like a big fool, which everyone here think you are, except a couple of Muslim members, who also have no idea about science.:biglaugh:

You have the tiniest trace of silicon (your so-called "evidence"), but no silicates. Since there are no silicates present in the human body, then you have no clay. So your so-called "evidence" is refuted.

You still have no proof of clay in the human body, and you have not being "scientific". Not even a trace amount of clay are present.

Show me any anatomy book, where it say the human body have either clay or silicates. Provide the sources for claims. Quote it here, or at least give us the titles and authors of the science books. Only then, you have at least some evidences. Only, then can we test and verify your claims, fatihah.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE: gnostic]You keep saying that you have scientific evidence but you have none.(End quote)

Response:Your denial is not my problem.

Quote: gnostic
Just because there are elements like silicon, it is so tiny, it is not enough to make clay and there are no present of clay. Clay is a pretty specific compound, of several elements, and there are no silicates, you simpleton.

Have you none understood that yet?(End quote)

Response: All irrelevant. Did you get that yet?

Quote: gnostic
Man, you really don't understand a single thing about chemistry and biology. And if you don't understand you shouldn't be making claim on it. You're only make yourself look like a big fool, which everyone here think you are, except a couple of Muslim members, who also have no idea about science.:biglaughend quote)

Response: Likewise.

Quote: gnostic
You have the tiniest trace of silicon (your so-called "evidence"), but no silicates. Since there are no silicates present in the human body, then you have no clay. So your so-called "evidence" is refuted.(End quote)

Response: You can't have silicate without silicon and oxygen, both are elements in the human body. So your evidence has just been refuted.

Quote: gnostic
You still have no proof of clay in the human body, and you have not being "scientific". Not even a trace amount of clay are present.(End quote)
Response: No, but what makes up clay is in the body, thus refuted again.

Quote: gnostic
Show me any anatomy book, where it say the human body have either clay or silicates. Provide the sources for claims. Quote it here, or at least give us the titles and authors of the science books. Only then, you have at least some evidences. Only, then can we test and verify your claims, fatihah.(End quote)

Response: It doesn't have to. Silicate is made of both oxygen and silicon, both are in clay and the body which you can't deny. So even you are confirming scientific support that man is created from clay.

 

[themadhair]

Silicate is made of both oxygen and silicon, both are in clay and the body which you can't deny. So even you are confirming scientific support that man is created from clay.

Classic Fatihah logic. Since both oxygen and silicon elements are in the human body, and those elements are also in clay, then humans are made from clay.

Let&#8217;s try another one using the same Faithah logic. Since both of the elements hydrogen and carbon are found in human body, and those elements are also in monster truck tyres, then humans are made from monster truck tyres.

And yes Faithah, your logic really is that moronically stupid.

 

[gnostic]

Response: You can't have silicate without silicon and oxygen, both are elements in the human body. So your evidence has just been refuted.

:biglaugh:

You still don't understand chemistry.

Even if both elements (silicon and oxygen) are in the human body, it doesn't mean they are formed into silicates. For the silicates to exist in the body, they have to form molecular bond to be "silicates" - SiO4 (1 silicon atom and 4 oxygen atoms). Until they form molecularity as silicates, then you still have nothing.

Do you understand?

So you have not refuted me at all. Until you have evidences of silicates in the body, you have nothing but empty claims. which is not evidence.

Go learn chemistry, especially molecular structure, then we can talk.

 

[Fatihah]

Classic Fatihah logic. Since both oxygen and silicon elements are in the human body, and those elements are also in clay, then humans are made from clay.

Let’s try another one using the same Faithah logic. Since both of the elements hydrogen and carbon are found in human body, and those elements are also in monster truck tyres, then humans are made from monster truck tyres.

And yes Faithah, your logic really is that moronically stupid.

Response: Now let's look at themadhair's logic as to where the first human came from:

Quote: themadhair
I’m going to answer it in a biology context – the first human came from non-human ancestors.(End quote) (Post 1030 of page 103)

Anyone ever known a child who's parents were not human? Anyone? (Well, besides themadhair's)

You know the sad part, you are actually serious. And to have the nerve to think to call me moronically stupid after saying something like that. I'm glad I wasn't eating or drinking when I read that, I would have literally died of laughter.

 

[Fatihah]

:biglaugh:

You still don't understand chemistry.

Even if both elements (silicon and oxygen) are in the human body, it doesn't mean they are formed into silicates. For the silicates to exist in the body, they have to form molecular bond to be "silicates" - SiO4 (1 silicon atom and 4 oxygen atoms). Until they form molecularity as silicates, then you still have nothing.

Do you understand?

So you have not refuted me at all. Until you have evidences of silicates in the body, you have nothing but empty claims. which is not evidence.

Go learn chemistry, especially molecular structure, then we can talk.

Response: The definition of evidene doesn't mean, "what gnostic wants to hear". Both silicon and oxygen are in the human body. Both silicon and oxygen is in clay. Evidence is clear. So is your denial.

 

[Alla Prima]

Your denial is not my problem.

I think you have a bigger problem. Seems the Koran is making a fool of itself.


Koran 21:30 and Koran 25:54 both state that man was made from water

021.030
YUSUFALI: Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

025.054
YUSUFALI: It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things).

Koran 15:26 says man was made from Clay

015.026
YUSUFALI: We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;

Koran 3:59 and Koran 30:20 both state that Allah created man from dust

003.056
YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

030.020
YUSUFALI: Among His Signs in this, that He created you from dust; and then,- behold, ye are men scattered (far and wide)!


Koran 16:4 has man being created from a drop of sperm

016.004
YUSUFALI: He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer!

 

[themadhair]

I&#8217;m going to answer it in a biology context &#8211; the first human came from non-human ancestors.(End quote) (Post 1030 of page 103)

Some evidence for that (koranic scientists look away now):

You know the sad part, you are actually serious.

Of course I was. See above evidence. Can you tell me where the human skulls stop and the non-human skulls start.

And to have the nerve to think to call me moronically stupid after saying something like that.

I note that you never actually touched my last post and completely avoided it. Wonder why that was?

 

[Fatihah]

I think you have a bigger problem. Seems the Koran is making a fool of itself.


Koran 21:30 and Koran 25:54 both state that man was made from water

021.030
YUSUFALI: Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

025.054
YUSUFALI: It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things).

Koran 15:26 says man was made from Clay

015.026
YUSUFALI: We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;

Koran 3:59 and Koran 30:20 both state that Allah created man from dust

003.056
YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

030.020
YUSUFALI: Among His Signs in this, that He created you from dust; and then,- behold, ye are men scattered (far and wide)!


Koran 16:4 has man being created from a drop of sperm

016.004
YUSUFALI: He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer!

Response: So exactly what is the problem?

 

[MFaraz_Hayat]

You keep saying that you have scientific evidence but you have none.

Just because there are elements like silicon, it is so tiny, it is not enough to make clay and there are no present of clay. Clay is a pretty specific compound, of several elements, and there are no silicates, you simpleton.

Have you none understood that yet?

Man, you really don't understand a single thing about chemistry and biology. And if you don't understand you shouldn't be making claim on it. You're only make yourself look like a big fool, which everyone here think you are, except a couple of Muslim members, who also have no idea about science.:biglaugh:

You have the tiniest trace of silicon (your so-called "evidence"), but no silicates. Since there are no silicates present in the human body, then you have no clay. So your so-called "evidence" is refuted.

You still have no proof of clay in the human body, and you have not being "scientific". Not even a trace amount of clay are present.

Show me any anatomy book, where it say the human body have either clay or silicates. Provide the sources for claims. Quote it here, or at least give us the titles and authors of the science books. Only then, you have at least some evidences. Only, then can we test and verify your claims, fatihah.

So basically what you are saying is that if something is made from silicates it must contain silicates, otherwise it can be deducted that silicates were not used in manufacturing it (even though the concerned object has silicon and oxygen in it). Are you aware of chemical reactions?

 

[Alla Prima]

Response: So exactly what is the problem?

It's a complete and utter contradiction. Is that really so hard for you to see?