Quran Vs Bible in light of science

[Islam432]

Islam actually says very little about science other than metaphorical examples which can be interpreted a thousand ways 500 for 500 against take your pick. But science is not a lottery it actually backs its claims with something called evidence, religions dont, they are totally different aspects of the universe.

In fact Science shows that both Islam and Roman Catholicism have an affinity to poor nations where suffering and hardship are common. Once the standard of living increases there is an immediate tendency to move away from these ideologies to different but equally valid ideologies such as atheism.

Cheers

no actually almost 1/6 of Quran talks about science , you'll have to read the book posted on the first page to know about it

And you are wrong muslims were superpower of world 300 years back the 'Great Ottman Empire" i think you have heard about this

And muslims had done great deal of work in science in those times

What you see now of muslim today majority of them are muslim by names only...having a beard , muslim name dosent makes you a believer

coming to your second question

Quran is sent as guidance from the creator of mankind , who else knows the nature of human being then the creator himself...

if you will implement the shariah of islam , which has not been implemented even in muslim countries today , i challenge you Poverty,Rape,Robbery etc will vanish from this world

 

[Tiapan]

no actually almost 1/6 of Quran talks about science , you'll have to read the book posted on the first page to know about it

And you are wrong muslims were superpower of world 300 years back the 'Great Ottman Empire" i think you have heard about this

And muslims had done great deal of work in science in those times

What you see now of muslim today majority of them are muslim by names only...having a beard , muslim name dosent makes you a believer

coming to your second question

Quran is sent as guidance from the creator of mankind , who else knows the nature of human being then the creator himself...

if you will implement the shariah of islam , which has not been implemented even in muslim countries today , i challenge you Poverty,Rape,Robbery etc will vanish from this world

Sorry but not for me. Sounds cute but read the fineprint.

Not4me wrote a good argument/discussion of why the philosophies are incompatible in the Islam DIR

Cheers

 

[tumbleweed41]

no actually almost 1/6 of Quran talks about science ,

A simple challenge about the scientific accuracy of the Qu'ran.

Using the Qu'ran, make a scientific prediction that is currently unknown, and then have it verified through scientific peer review.

In other words, rather than taking current scientific knowledge and showing us where you think the Qu'ran verifies it, take Qu'ranic knowledge that is currently unknown to the scientific community and verify it through the Scientific Method.

Simple predictability, falsifiability and verifiability will confirm the premise of the OP.
Failure to do so is akin to self fulfilled prophesy.

Well?

 

[Islam432]

Well?

the Quran describes how the world will come to an end....It says the Earth and Sun will crash into each other and will become one....there are many verses relating to description

and scientists have agreed that this could be one of the how the world ends


p.s...i have to go somewhere i will post the quotations from Quran after i come

 

[David M]

"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 41:11-12)"

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.

Sorry, when was the earth "clove asunder" from the universe having been 1 unit of creation according to science?

Now as to Noble Verse 21:30 above, according to the Big Bang Theory, the Universe experienced an unbelievable explosion from the hot gases that were forming it, which caused the Universe (which consisted of the ball of gases) to split and expand.

No, that is not what science says, there was no explosion of hot gases. Gases did not exist until long enough after the big bang that they could start to form.

The Earth was separated then from the gaseous mass that was forming the Universe. The gases according to the scientific articles below in this article made "the universe be consisted of compact ball of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons, electrons, and their anti-particles -- plus radiation. There were not differentiated planets, stars, suns, galaxies. Five billion years ago, the compact hydrogen soup blasted apart with huge force, matter was hurled in all directions, and the universe doubled in size. This expansion of the universe is still going on." [taken from "Ask Yahoo" web site at ask.yahoo.com/ask/20001027]

No it wasn't, the earth formed well after the universe formed, about 10 billion years in fact. And that answer is wrong.

It is really interesting to know that the Big Bang Theory suggests that the Universe is still expanding until today, because this is EXACTLY what Allah Almighty also claimed in the Noble Quran:

So the Quran indicates that the universe is expanding, thats one for the Quran. Unfortunately it then gets it wrong.

When the Cosmic Crunch to the Universe occurs, the Day of Judgment shall come:

Let us look at what Allah Almighty said about the "Cosmic Crunch" Theory:

يوم نطوي السماء كطي السجل للكتب كما بدأنا أول خلق نعيده وعدا علينا إنا كنا فعلين

"The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill it. (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"

Unfortunately for the Quran science says there will be no cosmic crunch. Our universe will almost certainly end in heat death (which will be cold not hot).

Notice here how Allah Almighty Said that He will ROLL BACK the heavens like a scroll rolled up. NASA's discovery only 8 years ago!

They have discovered only 8 years ago; that the Universe is flat! The best way the NASA scientists could describe the Universe is "like a sheet of paper," which Allah Almighty has already described 1,400 years ago to a goat herder and illiterate Bedouin and Shepard, our beloved and blessed Prophet Muhammad, Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon him. Ameen.

No the universe is not flat its geometry is flat, there is a subtle difference between them. A flat universe is infinite in spatial extent and has no boundaries. Also a flat universe does not experience a crunch, so no rolling up.

The Bible never mentioned anything about the formation of the Universe:

No where in the Bible do we see any mention of the creation of the Universe. The Bible lacks a great deal of information about how GOD Almighty created things.

Not true, Genesis 1 mentions the creation of the universe.

 

[tumbleweed41]

the Quran describes how the world will come to an end....It says the Earth and Sun will crash into each other and will become one....there are many verses relating to description

and scientists have agreed that this could be one of the how the world ends


p.s...i have to go somewhere i will post the quotations from Quran after i come

First, this is not what I asked for..

Using the Qu'ran, make a scientific prediction that is currently unknown, and then have it verified through scientific peer review.

In other words, rather than taking current scientific knowledge and showing us where you think the Qu'ran verifies it, take Qu'ranic knowledge that is currently unknown to the scientific community and verify it through the Scientific Method.


Second, scientists postulate that the sun, as it expands into a red giant over a million years from now, may engulf the Earth. Although it is now thought the the Earth and other planets outside the orbit of Venus, will increase there orbit faster than the sun will expand.

Don't dig up info on what may happen and compare it to the Qu'ran. Find info in the Qu'ran itself and make a verifiable prediction.
If you are unable to do so, I am sure the authors mentioned in the OP should be able to.

 

[David M]

First of all you are pointing out mistake of writer Dr Zakir Naik not from Quran , and yes he rightly said that most of the people in the world assumed that the world was flat at that time including Bible which gives a description that Earth is flat,

Yes I was, because that was one of the books the OP was touting as showing how the Quran matches science. The OP's example was actully a book trying to match the Quran to made-up science.

That makes the book lose credibility as an example that supported the OP.

How did humans discover that the earth is round and not flat?
wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_humans_discover_that_the_earth_is_round_and_not_flat

It is true that a Greek astronomer calculated that the earth was actually round about 200 B.C.E. However, the fact of it's circle shape was not generally accepted until almost a 1000 years later ,

See, you are just repeating the same myth about flat-earth beliefs.

And you think that wiki answer is credible when it contains the following "humans discovered that the world is round and not flat from the astronauts and scientist as you think of the man who first went to the moon! " It is to laugh.

It was widely known by scholars throughout the ANE that the earth was round.

but Quran is more superior and describes Earth as sphere

[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped.

Since the Prophet Pbuh of Islam only knew little, especially from the unseen, and since he never said that the earth is egg-shaped or spherical, then it is quite clear that he did not know that the earth was indeed egg-shape Allah Almighty clearly said so in the Noble Quran:

No, this is not revealed knowledge. It was long known in that part of the world that the earth was round. The area used the Ptolomaic system when was geocentric rather than heliocentric but had the earth as being round.

One request, could you post the text of (Quran-2:29) from the translation you prefer if you answer my last 2 posts.

 

[painted wolf]

Mountains do not hold the land in place...nor do they prevent earthquakes. Indeed, earthquakes are more common where there are young actively moving mountain ranges.

wa:do

 

[tumbleweed41]

I feel that this insistence on the scientific accuracy of the Qu'ran, only damages Islam. Just as the Christian Creationists do damage to Christianity.

 

[YmirGF]

I feel that this insistence on the scientific accuracy of the Qu'ran, only damages Islam. Just as the Christian Creationists do damage to Christianity.

I agree 100%. There are some interesting reasons why some Muslims think this is a meaningful way to "sell" Islam however.

 

[beenie]

I agree 100%. There are some interesting reasons why some Muslims think this is a meaningful way to "sell" Islam however.

for what it's worth, i don't.
certainly "proving" the Qur'an is scientifically correct is a horrible way to try and convince anyone.

 

[YmirGF]

for what it's worth, i don't.
certainly "proving" the Qur'an is scientifically correct is a horrible way to try and convince anyone.

I could not agree more. It would seem we are of one mind on this issue.

 

[gnostic]

Iam a student of comparative religions , Ive read Quran and Bible both have scientific knowledge mentioned , but if there are scientific errors can we attribute that to God....because God can never tell a lie

There are no scientific errors in the Qur'an because there is no science in any part of the Qur'an.

If you are a student of comparative religions then I'd suggest that you stick to comparative religions instead of making baseless claims that the Qur'an have any scientific merit, because these useless verse don't explain a damn thing scientifically. The Qur'an doesn't explain astronomy, geology, hydrology, oceanology, botany, zoology, medicine.

The basis of any science is mathematics. It doesn't even have 1+1=2, nor explain how we arrive with an answer of 2. I did not find a single mathematical proof in the Qur'an, again making the scripture completely useless in the science world.

The only science involved in the Qur'an is that if I was to light a match, the Qur'an would burn. I can repeat this experiment, again and again. I can also burn a whole bunch of Qur'an if I stacked them up together. It may not burn if I was outside, because it is either windy (blowing out the match before I can light up the Qur'an), or raining, in which case my matches won't. On the right condition, I can burn a Qur'an because I have fuel (the Qur'an are made of papers), some to ignite and start a fire (match and striker) and air (fire required oxygen to burn).

The Qur'an is as useless as the Bible when it comes to science. Or you have today's Muslims twisting the words and context of verse to suit your ego. If Muslim scientists in the past can hear the claims made today by Muslims about the Qur'an they would turn over in their graves in shame.

ps I am not saying that I would actually burn the Qur'an. Just giving you simple demonstration that science require evidence that are repeatable and testable that could or could not validate a theory. And the Qur'an failed in this aspect as well as scientific theory.

 

[darkendless]

From previous discussions here it has shown that the Quran suggests we are made of clay. Upon deeper discussion we are made of the same elements which consist of clay. Such elementary links can be made from every religious text but are so vague that credibility given is intellectually baseless.

 

[Islam432]

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The we get to the section on how the Quran reveals that the sun rotates, unfortunately the verses he uses illustrate that the Quran reveals that the sun moves around the earth just as the moon does, which is completely wrong and reflects the geocentrism of the time.

“It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course.” [Al-Qur’aan 21:33]

ORBITS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN

Above, we have stated that the heavenly bodies are in motion in space. These movements are fully controlled and all bodies move in a computed orbit. In the Qur'an, certain verses referring to the sun and the moon run as follows: "The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed". (Surat ar-Rahman, 5) "It is not for the sun to catch up the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit." (Surah Yasin, 40) Another verse to the same effect declares:

It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. (Surat al-Anbiya, 33)
According to a currently acknowledged theory, massive and voluminous bodies in the universe exert a gravitational force on smaller bodies. For example, the moon makes an orbit around the earth, which has a bigger volume. The earth and other planets in the solar system move in an orbit around the sun. There exists a still bigger system around which the solar system makes an orbit. The most critical point in all these details is that none of the stars, planets and other bodies in space make an uncontrolled move, cut across each other's orbit, or hit one another.

The Qur'an signifies the harmonious movement of these bodies as follows:

By the sky full of paths and orbits. (Surat adh-Dhariyat, 7)

The sun, as one of the billions of stars in the universe, travels more than 17 million kilometers a day in space. This journey of the sun is referred to by Allah as follows:

And the sun runs on unto a resting-place for him. That is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. (Surah Yasin, 38)

 

[Islam432]

Sorry, when was the earth "clove asunder" from the universe having been 1 unit of creation according to science?

The statement "clove asunder" is the verb "fataqa" in Arabic and it means to split an object in the state of "ratq". For instance, the sprouting of the seed and the appearance of its shoots on the earth is expressed by this verb.

Now, let us once again look at the verse which refers to a state in which the heavens and the earth are in a state of "ratkq". Then, these two are meant to have been cloven asunder in the sense of the verb "fataqa". That is, one of them breaks through the other and makes its way out. Indeed, when we are reminded of the first moment of the Big Bang, we see that the spot called the cosmic egg contained all the matters in the universe. Everything, even "the heavens and the earth" that were not yet created were contained in this spot in a state of "ratq". Afterwards, this cosmic egg exploded, causing its matter to "fataqa" and in the process created the structure of the whole universe.

When we compare the expressions in the verse with scientific findings, we see that they are in perfect agreement with each other.

 

[Islam432]

First, this is not what I asked for..

Using the Qu'ran, make a scientific prediction that is currently unknown, and then have it verified through scientific peer review.

In other words, rather than taking current scientific knowledge and showing us where you think the Qu'ran verifies it, take Qu'ranic knowledge that is currently unknown to the scientific community and verify it through the Scientific Method.


Second, scientists postulate that the sun, as it expands into a red giant over a million years from now, may engulf the Earth. Although it is now thought the the Earth and other planets outside the orbit of Venus, will increase there orbit faster than the sun will expand.

Don't dig up info on what may happen and compare it to the Qu'ran. Find info in the Qu'ran itself and make a verifiable prediction.
If you are unable to do so, I am sure the authors mentioned in the OP should be able to.

no there are many hypothesis how the world will end , for e.g the earth being heated up , getting hit by astroids , there are thousands of way how the world can end but Quran mentions the specific ,and i cant prove it now scientifically that this will happen for sure

 

[Islam432]

No the universe is not flat its geometry is flat, there is a subtle difference between them. A flat universe is infinite in spatial extent and has no boundaries. Also a flat universe does not experience a crunch, so no rolling up.

The simplest version of the inflationary theory, an extension of the Big Bang theory, predicts that the density of the universe is very close to the critical density, and that the geometry of the universe is flat, like a sheet of paper. That is the result confirmed by the WMAP science.

map.gsfc.nasa.gov universe/uni_shape.html)

Measurements from WMAP
The WMAP spacecraft can measure the basic parameters of the Big Bang theory including the geometry of the universe. If the universe were open, the brightest microwave background fluctuations (or "spots") would be about half a degree across. If the universe were flat, the spots would be about 1 degree across. While if the universe were closed, the brightest spots would be about 1.5 degrees across.
Recent measurements (c. 2001) by a number of ground-based and balloon-based experiments, including MAT/TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima, and DASI, have shown that the brightest spots are about 1 degree across. Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy prior to the WMAP results. WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision. We now know that the universe is flat with only a 2% margin of error."

 

[Islam432]

Not true, Genesis 1 mentions the creation of the universe.

Yes it the only place which mention and is a complete scientific error

 

[Islam432]

I agree 100%. There are some interesting reasons why some Muslims think this is a meaningful way to "sell" Islam however.

Its sad if you think it that way, i was writing here with a good intention , only bcz Allah has commanded me " preach even if you know a single verse"

thats what iam doing, its up to you that you believe in the truth or not