Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
It is rather clear to me as a woman, that the women in the vast majority of professional porn films are NOT enjoying themselves even when they're portrayed to be.
There's a huge difference.
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Rape Culture is Real
- Thread starter MysticSang'ha
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It is rather clear to me as a woman, that the women in the vast majority of professional porn films are NOT enjoying themselves even when they're portrayed to be.
There's a huge difference.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Have you watched the vast majority of professional porn?
Links, please?
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freethinker44
Well-Known Member
To what?
Sorry. I was attempting to make a joke.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Ever watch enough of something to get a feel for the way something's gonna go? Like watching Michael Bay films? Or reading YA books? I'm confident in my claim. (Also there will be explosions... and a love triangle.)
I've watched porn - snippets online, longer videos, "amateur" stuff that isn't, etc. There is porn made where it's real - it's on camera, but everyone's enjoying it. There's also porn made where the actors can apparently act and even if they aren't enjoying it particularly, they make it look real.
Most professional porn is not in either of those two categories. There are exceptions, but one need only look at how oral sex is performed on women in most professional porn to say, "yeah that's... not even slightly entertaining... oh and he spit on her, how hot." :no:
My point is more that porn really isn't about portraying women as genuinely into sex.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I don't judge every film and book ever made by the handful I've seen or read.
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When it comes to the presentation and treatment of women in porn, I think it very much varies. When it comes to most porn that's aimed at straight guys, it's probably not going to be very woman-friendly. But there is feminist porn and queer porn which is woman-friendly.
As with most things, you have to wade through crap to find good stuff.
As with most things, you have to wade through crap to find good stuff.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
I assume you meant "judge."
As the comment I was replying to was judging all porn a certain way, I responded in kind. If you'd like to make a thread about porn, you're welcome too.
And if you can't figure out that that YA fantasy you just picked up has a female main character and a love triangle... you're just not trying.
Yeah there's absolutely "good" porn out there, I was speaking of the majority - hell even playgirl uses porn shot for men. And there is absolutely variety, I was generalizing.
On a sad note the magazine called Filament which was very much a feminist porn mag didn't make it very long - and I think it had a queer sensibility about it too, I recall the models have a variety of body shapes and a lot of androgynous qualities as well. But I'm fuzzy on the details. The things you read "for your Master's degree"
There's a site call DOMAI that's actually pretty good. No videos, just photos. And no sex acts, just nudes. But the photography is excellent, the models are all shapes and sizes, albeit mainly young women. The thing is, I've never seen the site pop up during random porn surfs. It's been around for a decade or more, has a quarter million subscribers, 25% of them women, but it doesn't show up just from surfing. So I wonder how many really good porn sites show up from random surfing if that one doesn't?
Yeah there's absolutely "good" porn out there, I was speaking of the majority - hell even playgirl uses porn shot for men. And there is absolutely variety, I was generalizing.
On a sad note the magazine called Filament which was very much a feminist porn mag didn't make it very long - and I think it had a queer sensibility about it too, I recall the models have a variety of body shapes and a lot of androgynous qualities as well. But I'm fuzzy on the details. The things you read "for your Master's degree"
I've never heard of Filament. That sucks.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't know, and I'm not going to judge an entire genre based on the one book and one movie I've seen from it.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Niche stuff tends to stay niche.
Personally photo/video rarely does much for me because I'm all sapiosexual and stuff.
But I think that "mainstream" porn absolutely does fit into rape culture - not just because of non-consent kink (something that plenty of women and feminist men and women appreciate) but because of things like Bang Bus - she's willing, but they have sex with her while driving and then abandon her somewhere away from where she started (fake, but you know.). The idea that women are just there to be used and left.
I mean if both people are just using each other for sex, more power to them, but that doesn't seem to be the way mainstream porn sets thing up. I'm not claiming porn is evil, more that it reflects our culture (and has been around since forever, colonial women were reading sexy stories in their almanacs and I'm sure the gents were as well.)
It was pretty interesting.I've never heard of Filament. That sucks.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Ah well I wasn't talking about one book or one movie, either.
They do the same thing in the gay version of that, Bait Bus.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Just reading todays news and thought how pertinent this article is to this discussion... have you ever seen disrespect displayed more openly this this???. How vile this man is.
French comedian Rémi Gaillard sparks controversy with ‘degrading’ free sex video | News.com.au
and this one too... to think that a young woman at a prestigous university who is raped on campus is basically told that it was likely her drinking to blame - not the young man who took liberties, but her drinking:
Harvard sexual assault victim pens open letter condemning university’s lack of support | News.com.au
Society itself is to blame for rape culture. Everyone who makes excuses for the criminals, every immoral person who perpetrates the crime, and everyone who supports the sexual abuse of woman through the entertainment and advertising industries.
All are to blame.
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freethinker44
Well-Known Member
If simply observing the act of sex is degrading and harmful to a person, why isn't this true for men? Could it possibly be because being sexually open, by itself, isn't harmful and it's actually the stigma society arbitrarily places on sexuality that is really causing the harm and this stigma isn't applied to men explaining why only women are perceived to be objectified?
Basically what I'm saying is sexual displays in public aren't the problem, but that you saying they are a problem is the problem and is actually causing real physical harm to people.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
but this is not what the facts are revealing. Women do not have a better place in society just because sex has been brought out into the open. (and it is everywhere)
If what you are saying is true, then there would be no rape culture. We would not see sex being used in destructive and harmful ways. But the more we allow sexual content to infiltrate the media, advertising and entertainment, the more woman are abused. And that is what we see happening.
Please explain!!!
There is a reason why the ancient people covered up... we are uncovering and rape and abuse is rampant. You dont think there is some correlation there between what we see and how we think and feel?