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Ravi's Argument for God (The Atheists Nightmare)
- Thread starter Tathagata
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Logic dictates that an extra entity requires evidence to back it up. What is this evidence that you have found? (Genuine question. AFAIK, no valid evidence exists.)
blueman
God's Warrior
The logic that Dr. Ravi Z. presented in totality with other components of the designer's blueprint (love, beauty, natural order) that he did not reference, provides more of a basis for a rationale belief in God than any argument you could make for rationale to believe that God does not exist.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
OK, so love/beauty/"orderliness" requires some creating entity...
Now explain how you deduce that this entity is at all human-like, or at all interested in humanity? It is entirely possible for a totally alien being to be creating the universe as a small part of a larger action, to be created and discarded with no thought devoted towards it.
Now explain how you deduce that this entity is at all human-like, or at all interested in humanity? It is entirely possible for a totally alien being to be creating the universe as a small part of a larger action, to be created and discarded with no thought devoted towards it.
Smoke
Done here.
blueman
God's Warrior
If you do not believe that an all-powerful entity and anyone who could create the universe is pretty powerful, could not intervene or connect with it's creation, we're being naive. I believe God has intervened on a number of occasions throughout history, and most notably in the person of Jesus Christ. There is overwhelming evidence for this than your alien hypothesis.
blueman
God's Warrior
Because in the true sense of being an atheist, you emphatically believe there is no God. Anything short of that and your agnostic. You believe in an existence without hope or purpose. The burden of proof falls on you.
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Why don't they chuck in an atheist to present a rebuttal to this guy? Anyone can say these things uninterrupted or challenged by an atheist present in the same room. There were no follow up questions like why does this first entity which started the universe be called god? What is so special and worth worshiping about this particle? Had anyone asked these questions, Ravi would have been reduced to a blubbering mass of mud.
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
blueman
God's Warrior
If you're trying to be a comedian, you have a lot of work to do.Lol. way to turn the argument on its head.
Tathagata
Freethinker
blueman
God's Warrior
Because atheist don't have a rationale argument to present. Chou believe in an existence without life and purpose.
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Nope, not trying to be a comedian. Just pointing out the obvious.
blueman
God's Warrior
What's the obvious?
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
I just asked two questions in the post you replied to. Please tell me why they are not rational.
Just because my existence does not serve your god does not mean that I am without life or purpose. You must be really sad if you are trying to justify your life on the whims of your imaginary friend.
Tathagata
Freethinker
Demanding Negative Proof fallacy.
The person making the claim has the burden to prove or provide evidence for the claim.
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FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
It is your claim that god exists. Therefore the burden of proof is upon you.
If I claimed that pink unicorns exist, it is I who must prove them to you and not the other way around.
blueman
God's Warrior
Which claim are you referring to?
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Tathagata
Freethinker
You are saying that Atheists have the burden of proof. This is false because the Atheist isn't making the assertion. The Theist is the one who is asserting a God and therefore has the burden to prove it.
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