Reasons for believing in the Bible as the literal word of God.

[Father Heathen]

Precisely. As I read it, it appeared to me that it was giving privilege to a woman so that she would not be abused.

If anything, it's subjecting her to further abuse.

 

[Father Heathen]

In the 80's 'Republican' Pres. Reagan only paid ' lip service ' to the religious fundamentalists in order to win their vote.
After their disappointment with Reagan I think then they pushed for their own fundamental Bible colleges.
Perhaps with the goal of getting one of the students to later win and become president to then carry out their own agenda.
Religion that meddles with the political likes to ' throne and dethrone ' kings. They meddle where they ought not meddle.

Also, The political ideology of conservatives is wholly antithetical to the teachings and examples of Christ.

 

[YoursTrue]

If anything, it's subjecting her to further abuse.

Not at all. But each one will own up to how we live.

 

[YoursTrue]

You have a grossly mistaken concept of what the law was and its intent.

 

[YoursTrue]

Also, The political ideology of conservatives is wholly antithetical to the teachings and examples of Christ.

God along with Jesus will solve mankind's problems.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have a grossly mistaken concept of what the law was and its intent.

How would you support that claim?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Because Revelation was Not written for 1st century people.
The great tribulation of Rev. 7:14 was Not for the 1st century.
The great crowd of people mentioned in verse 9 are living people, alive on Earth.
Just as the figurative 'sheep' mentioned at Matt. 25:37 are 'living people alive on Earth' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matt. 25:31-34.
So, the already dead are not saved /delivered / rescued through the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14 but living people on Earth are.
Those of us who are alive at Jesus' coming can remain alive on Earth and live through the coming great tribulation and be here on Earth to see calendar Day One of Jesus' Millennium-Long day of governing over Earth for a thousand years with the opportunity to live forever on Earth.
Jesus Not only offered everlasting life in Heaven for some, but everlasting life on Earth for the majority of people - Matt. 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11; 22:26

And I should accept your interpretation because...?

 

[TLK Valentine]

What an interesting question ^ above ^.
Angels are mentioned in the Bible, they are living spirit persons in Heaven with spirit bodies.
Angels (angelic life) were created in the heavenly realm before any physical life on Earth.
At Genesis 2:7 physical earthly life is connected to breath (breathing) - See Genesis 2:7
Adam was formed or fashioned from the existing Earth and Adam did Not come to life until God breathed the breath of life into life-less Adam.
So, what it means for physical life to be literally alive is: to be breathing.

So, anything that breathes is alive? Respiration is all it takes?

 

[metis]

In the 80's 'Republican' Pres. Reagan only paid ' lip service ' to the religious fundamentalists in order to win their vote.
After their disappointment with Reagan I think then they pushed for their own fundamental Bible colleges.
Perhaps with the goal of getting one of the students to later win and become president to then carry out their own agenda.
Religion that meddles with the political likes to ' throne and dethrone ' kings. They meddle where they ought not meddle.

Billy Graham once said that the biggest mistake he made was to get politically involved, especially when he supported Nixon.

 

[lukethethird]

God along with Jesus will solve mankind's problems.

Really, do they have more than two brain cells combined? I don't think so.

 

[lukethethird]

Billy Graham once said that the biggest mistake he made was to get politically involved, especially when he supported Nixon.

I would have thought for him it was getting up in the morning.

 

[YoursTrue]

I would have thought for him it was getting up in the morning

I actually enjoyed listening to some of his recorded sermons, they did in part, turn me to God. I wouldn't worship now in the same way as he did, but I did like his sermons. I didn't believe in Jesus at the time I would listen to him, but eventually I turned to God actually because of his sermons. And I learned the truth about Jesus Christ.

 

[YoursTrue]

If anything, it's subjecting her to further abuse.

No, it's not. But anyway, no matter, times were different, women (and men) can be slaves in various ways without "law" now.

 

[Father Heathen]

No, it's not.

Rape is an extremely traumatic experience that leaves emotional and mental scars. Don't you think being forcefully married to your attacker would be a very terrifying and degrading experience? Also, how could you expect a rapist to treat her with respect and kindness? He already brutalized her, so why would he stop now?
How are you not ashamed and embarrassed for trying to defend this garbage?

But anyway, no matter, times were different, women (and men) can be slaves in various ways without "law" now.

Times were different, but the bible is touted as the timeless word of God. Why would God allow the grotesque, ghoulish social norms of primitive savages to supercede his will? Unless, of course, God (as depicted in the bible) himself is grotesque and ghoulish.

 

[YoursTrue]

Rape is an extremely traumatic experience that leaves emotional and mental scars. Don't you think being forcefully married to your attacker would be a very terrifying and degrading experience? Also, how could you expect a rapist to treat her with respect and kindness? He already brutalized her, so why would he stop now?
How are you not ashamed and embarrassed for trying to defend this garbage?


Times were different, but the bible is touted as the timeless word of God. Why would God allow the grotesque, ghoulish social norms of primitive savages to supercede his will? Unless, of course, God (as depicted in the bible) himself is grotesque and ghoulish.

The mosaic law cannot be used now by God or men as it was intended. In the not top distant future God will settle all matters. There is no defense for wrongdoing. Which is what the episode was really all about in the Garden of Eden. You surely must understand that people today hurt other people, sometimes without mercy, cruelly.

 

[ppp]

The mosaic law cannot be used now by God or men as it was intended. In the not top distant future God will settle all matters. There is no defense for wrongdoing. Which is what the episode was really all about in the Garden of Eden. You surely must understand that people today hurt other people, sometimes without mercy, cruelly.

You did not respond to anything that @Father Heathen actually said. Let me fix that for you.

Don't you think being forcefully married to your attacker would be a very terrifying and degrading experience?

Yes. I do.

Also, how could you expect a rapist to treat her with respect and kindness?

I would not expect such.

He already brutalized her, so why would he stop now?

No reason what so ever. His brutal and despicable have been licensed and sanctified by Mosaic law, and according to believers, by God through forced marriage.

How are you not ashamed and embarrassed for trying to defend this garbage?

I would be deeply ashamed to try to tap dance such obvious immorality away.

 

[YoursTrue]

Rape is an extremely traumatic experience that leaves emotional and mental scars. Don't you think being forcefully married to your attacker would be a very terrifying and degrading experience? Also, how could you expect a rapist to treat her with respect and kindness? He already brutalized her, so why would he stop now?
How are you not ashamed and embarrassed for trying to defend this garbage?


Times were different, but the bible is touted as the timeless word of God. Why would God allow the grotesque, ghoulish social norms of primitive savages to supercede his will? Unless, of course, God (as depicted in the bible) himself is grotesque and ghoulish.

I suggest you read and try to comprehend the context of Exodus 21. It is helpful to realize that the men were commanded to give kind consideration to the women.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I believe you must have believed without a basis for belief. You built your faith on shifting sand instead of the solid rock.

You, too, if you're a theist. You believe by faith. There is no flimsier foundation for belief than the will to believe without sufficient evidentiary support.

Jesus knew because Matt 24; Mark 13; Luke 21 has both a minor and a MAJOR fulfillment.

Biblical apologetics is so creative. Minor fulfillment? The promise wasn't kept. That's a fail to fulfill. It's FULL-fillment, not PARTIAL-fillment.

Revelation was Not written for 1st century people.

Sure it was. According to Jesus, they were living in the end times.

Jesus Not only offered everlasting life in Heaven for some, but everlasting life on Earth for the majority of people

Anybody can offer that. Let me offer it you now. Believe in me and receive eternal life. I promise.

what it means for physical life to be literally alive is: to be breathing.

No, it doesn't.

living organisms so far demonstrate that chimpanzees remain chimpanzees and fish remain fish and humans remain humans.

Living organisms demonstrate that gene pools are dynamic and that creatures continually evolve into different creatures, the degree of difference being proportionate to time and habitat stability. When some pre-human primates lost their jungles in Africa, they evolved into human beings. Their brothers still in trees in African jungles, who were physically close to chimps, evolved much less over the same time period.

I've read about evolution, as I have said, believed it when I was taught the outline of it in school, and also engaged in conversation here with adherents of evolution.

Then you stopped believing without a good reason.

if you don't know what life means I don't want to get into theories and tests about it.

He asked you if YOU know what life is. UVARIP says it's breathing.

And yes, it's an interesting discussion. Here's one fairly comprehensive list of the qualities of living things. Breathing isn't on the list:

[1] active movement (may be subcellular only)
[2] obtain nutrients
[3] metabolize / channel and store energy / generate heat
[4] eliminate waste
[5] complex organization (organelles, organ systems)
[6] cellular
[7] organic (carbon based)
[8] growth / development
[9] reproduction / replication
[10] homeostasis / repair
[11] sensitive / responsive
[12] adapt / evolve / mutate
[13] similar composition (proteins, ATP, DNA, etc.)

This is why viruses are usually called nonliving even though they evolve. They meet very few of these criteria.

God along with Jesus will solve mankind's problems.

Nobody has ever solved any problem for man except man. The Baha'i make similar promises for their god bringing world peace, but so far, only secular organizations have made any progress. Jesus/God have been AWOL. Abrahamic religion has been a huge and costly detour for man with its false promises, anti-intellectualism, and bigotries. The mistake was removing the sacred from nature and exporting it out of the universe in the form of imagined entities with commandments for man.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Billy Graham once said that the biggest mistake he made was to get politically involved, especially when he supported Nixon.

A pity his son Franklin didn't learn from this -- oh well, good sense sometimes skips a generation.

 

[idea]

God along with Jesus will solve mankind's problems.

I'm curious of your opinion on the merits of being self-reliant rather than waiting for someone/something else to save us?

Is anyone really saved who is not self-reliant, who is dependent?