Recognition of Same-Sex Relationships, 1989-2010

[Revoltingest]

Could it be...because I am a preacher?

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as specified in the DSM. Yes, I understand that some people got together and had it removed in DSM2, but I don't happen to agree with them. Also, drug use and suicide, which go along with homosexuality, are definitely mental illnesses...or would you like to dispute that?

Greetings again, Doc! Alas, notions of right or wrong have always changed & will continue to do so. I too, see societal changes which I detest. My lack of faith
(moral relativist here) perhaps makes it easier to just accept changes in how things are, but I sympathize. Are homosexuals mentally ill? I don't know, & the
standards for determining that have changed anyway. But I don't see mental illness as "wrong" either. After all, were I diagnosed as an Aspie (Asperger syndrome),
I wouldn't see that as "wrong" or even a problem...just something to deal with. Similarly, I don't judge you harshly for being a believer (a malady also not in DSM2),
& I support your rights & civil liberties despite your religious impairments just as much as I do those of gay folk & Aspies.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The dark ages were 600 years ago.

Also, why does it concern you what others do. Is it really tht concerning that you people ignore the problems with your own and instead attack others? Calling homosexuality a mental illness is offensive and untrue. I think you owe Smoke an apology.

Homosexuality was considered a mental illness until only recently.

Homosexuality and psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since the 1970s, the consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation.[2] In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[3]

It's not as if everyone thought that homosexuality was a mental illness in the dark ages, and for the past 600 years it has been accepted. Homosexuality has been accepted as a norm for the past 45 years or so, at least psychologically speaking.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Could it be...because I am a preacher?

The "Dr." in front of your name is an embarassment to your profession and an affront to people who actually earn their Ph.D.

Tell me, which paper mill did you get that from, or is it a title that you give yourself?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

First of all, the United States government is very different from Canada's, so "federal gay marriage" is not legally possible. There is no enumerated constitutional power for the federal government to regulate marriage.

So you oppose the Defense of Marriage Act? I'm glad to hear it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Are you kidding me? You are honestly trying to equate race with sexual perversion? A man can't help it if he's colored. He can definitely choose not to put his private parts where a man evacuates his bowels.

Yes - apparently, that's the proper place for one's own head.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The "Dr." in front of your name is an embarassment to your profession and an affront to people who actually earn their Ph.D.

Tell me, which paper mill did you get that from, or is it a title that you give yourself?

He mentioned in his "welcome" thread that he has a PhD in Computer Science, which he got before becoming a preacher.

 

[Engyo]

First of all, the United States government is very different from Canada's, so "federal gay marriage" is not legally possible. There is no enumerated constitutional power for the federal government to regulate marriage.

Hmmmmm. The Defense Of Marriage Act?

Second of all, and less likely to impress anyone in this day and time, homosexuality is both a mental illness and an abomination in the eyes of God, and I would hope that our government would not encourage anyone to pervert the institution of marriage in this way.

I'd really be interested in peer-reviewed medical research that illustrates your claim of mental illness for homosexuality.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

He mentioned in his "welcome" thread that he has a PhD in Computer Science, which he got before becoming a preacher.

Personally, I doubt that. Some fields in the sciences have terminal BS degrees, in which case some people are bold enough to call themselves, "doctor," and then merrily go along pretending to speak authoritative in fields that they know nothing about.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Personally, I doubt that. Some fields in the sciences have terminal BS degrees, in which case some people are bold enough to call themselves, "doctor," and then merrily go along pretending to speak authoritative in fields that they know nothing about.

My alma mater has a PhD program in Computer Science, and it sure isn't a degree mill.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

My alma mater has a PhD program in Computer Science, and it sure isn't a degree mill.

Yes, but it's likely that our friend did not earn his degree there.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, but it's likely that our friend did not earn his degree there.

Let's not dis others' claims of letters after their names. (I've a self-serving interest in avoiding scorn for my paucity of degrees.)
Doc's argument of perversity fails entirely because he doesn't present one. Being highly educated doesn't prevent holding offensive views.
After all, even some of yours are revolting.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Let's not dis others' claims of letters after their names. (I've a self-serving interest in avoiding scorn for my paucity of degrees.)
Doc's argument of perversity fails entirely because he doesn't present one. Being highly educated doesn't prevent holding offensive views.

Being highly educated should help someone to avoid misanthopic, unethical, and irrational views. The process of education teaches someone to critically rationalize data and contexts, and our friend is unable or unwilling to even attempt to do either.

So it's not that the view is offensive that brings my interest to our friend's claims of high education, but the lack of any sign or mark of higher education in his posts.

 

[Revoltingest]

Being highly educated should help someone to avoid misanthopic, unethical, and irrational views.

"Should" is the operative word here. Education don't cure crazy.
And offensive crazy people need your love too.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

"Should" is the operative word here. Education don't cure crazy.
And offensive crazy people need your love too.

They got it, but not my respect for degrees that they claim to have but don't.

 

[Smoke]

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as specified in the DSM.

No, it's not.

Yes, I understand that some people got together and had it removed in DSM2, but I don't happen to agree with them.

And what are your qualifications to have a professional opinion about that?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

No, it's not.

You might want to double check your facts on that...

 

[Revoltingest]

They got it, but not my respect for degrees that they claim to have but don't.

He could have a PhD. I find that PhD holders can have some pretty loopy views of things.
There's this guy I know working on his dissertation.....well.....that's another story.

 

[Smoke]

It's not as if everyone thought that homosexuality was a mental illness in the dark ages, and for the past 600 years it has been accepted. Homosexuality has been accepted as a norm for the past 45 years or so, at least psychologically speaking.

And it's not as if psychology is a 600-year-old discipline, either. Homosexuality was listed in the DSM from 1952 to 1973, and was removed because the evidence did not not justify listing it. In fact, much of the early research was done on prisoners and psych patients. How do you think heterosexuality would be classified if it were studied only in the population of prisons and mental hospitals? Once researchers began studying homosexuality in the context of the general population, the illusion that it was a mental illness fell away quickly.

 

[Smoke]

You might want to double check your facts on that...

It was dropped from the DSM in 1973.

 

[Magic Man]

Could it be...because I am a preacher?

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as specified in the DSM. Yes, I understand that some people got together and had it removed in DSM2, but I don't happen to agree with them. Also, drug use and suicide, which go along with homosexuality, are definitely mental illnesses...or would you like to dispute that?

I wish people like you would go through conversion therapy, and convert to being decent people.