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Recognition of Same-Sex Relationships, 1989-2010

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angellous_evangellous

Guest
He could have a PhD. I find that PhD holders can have some pretty loopy views of things.
There's this guy I know working on his dissertation.....well.....that's another story.

But his mind is as devestatingly beautiful as his sense of humor is delicious.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
And it's not as if psychology is a 600-year-old discipline, either. Homosexuality was listed in the DSM from 1952 to 1973, and was removed because the evidence did not not justify listing it.
But like the Bible, the DSM is inerrant and canonical... but only in its original form.

Right?
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Homosexuality is a mental illness, as specified in the DSM. Yes, I understand that some people got together and had it removed in DSM2, but I don't happen to agree with them. Also, drug use and suicide, which go along with homosexuality, are definitely mental illnesses...or would you like to dispute that?

"Dr" Robertson,
Could you kindly cite your qualifications for assuming the mental deficiency associated with homosexuality?
 
Because it doesn't agree with your justification for "counseling" homosexuals.

I counsel them because they, or their parents, ask me to. What further justification do I need?

As drug use and suicide "go along with" heterosexuality, and meat eaters, and brunets, and people over 5' 10", and . . . . . . .

Thank goodness for copy and paste!

As to gay suicide rate:

Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender and Questioning Teen Suicide Statistics - Gay Teen Suicide Statistics
LGBT-Teen Suicide Rate Rises - DiversityInc.com
GLSEN: Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network: GLSEN: Gay,Lesbian,Straight Education Network

As to gay drug use:

Partying to Death: Drug Abuse and Gay Nightlife Culture Featured Articles | Michael's House
Homosexuality and Illegal Drug Use - Conservapedia
Drug and Alcohol Abuse Among Gay Teens - Teen Drug Abuse and Addiction - Find Help for Teen Drug Abuse
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I counsel them because they, or their parents, ask me to. What further justification do I need?
Counseling isn't a game. It has real consequences and needs to be done by someone who's actually qualified to do it.

If someone came up to you and asked you to prescribe medication for their child, would that be enough justification for you do it?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
And I wonder if you're aware how much harassment from religious leaders like you contributes to these statistics?

1) hmmm - I wonder how many of your conservative evangelical families are ready to accept their children? (from your first link) "Family Rejection as a Predictor of Negative Health Outcomes" led by Dr. Caitlin Ryan

2) From your second link (Exodus International has been working to exclude the harassment of GLBT kids from anti-bullying legislation)

http://www.365gay.com/features/090408-lgbt-teen-suicide/2/ (the full article)
"The 2005 California Healthy Kids Survey, which detailed issues related to bullying and harassment in elementary, middle and high schools, found that seventh graders in California are a full 50 percent more likely to be bullied at school due to their sexual orientation than those in the 11th grade.

Many LGBT teens who feel suicide is their only option have inevitably been bullied to death."

3) And from your third link:


"Ellen Connorton, coordinator of violence prevention and intentional injury at DPH, said gay students are not considered predisposed to suicide.
''They are no more mentally unstable than other students, but they are susceptible to victimization by their peers,'' Connorton said."
 
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All that means to me is that you're a leader of ignorance and intolerance instead of a follower.

If you mean intolerance to sexual perversion, you are correct. I don't tolerate it, and neither does God. As to ignorance, we'll just have to see about that.

Doesn't your wonderful *cough* god tell you to not judge others? So why judge homosexuals so harshly? You used to do the same with black people but for some reason you got over your ignorance in that instance.

Are we talking about homosexuality, or race? Let's don't change the subject just yet.

Let me say (whether i get in trouble or not who cares) shame on you. Your opinion on this matter is offensive and i would expect better from a community leader. Who are you to judge what others do behind closed doors? How can you follow a God who invites the condemnation of a particular group of people? Do you have any kind of humility?

What makes you think that I'm judging anyone? I just try to help people who have sinned and want to turn their lives around. And, yes, I am humble before God.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie

Wonder what the underlying CAUSE is?


  • Homophobia is largely based on religious beliefs which among Christians are derived from about 6 quotations from the Bible.
  • Three out of four Americans identify themselves as Christians
  • Most Christian churches have actively taught hatred of homosexuality for decades.
  • Conservative Christian churches are currently leading the fight to:
    • Prevent gays and lesbians from enjoying rights and protections equal to the general population,
    • Prohibit marriages for loving, committed same-sex couples,
    • Oppose adoption by gay or lesbian adults, and
    • Keep accurate information on sexual orientation out of the public schools.

Religious Tolerance.Org

Social, religious, and family pressure against what one is born as can cause intense suicidal depression.

Of interest is the fact that as social acceptance of LGBT's grows, suicidal depression among LGBT's falls.

One may even say the "Dr" Robertson's religious teaching are responsible for the deaths of many otherwise mentally healthy people.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If you mean intolerance to sexual perversion, you are correct. I don't tolerate it, and neither does God.
On the latter point, God would seem to be very tolerant of perversity, given how its practitioners often fare so well. I know so many gay folk who
experience good fortune in their lives relative to some of the faithful. I even recall from decades ago, some lesbians saying they must be God's chosen
people, since AIDS was not visited upon them. Strange, ain't it?
 
Greetings again, Doc! Alas, notions of right or wrong have always changed & will continue to do so. I too, see societal changes which I detest. My lack of faith
(moral relativist here) perhaps makes it easier to just accept changes in how things are, but I sympathize. Are homosexuals mentally ill? I don't know, & the
standards for determining that have changed anyway. But I don't see mental illness as "wrong" either. After all, were I diagnosed as an Aspie (Asperger syndrome),
I wouldn't see that as "wrong" or even a problem...just something to deal with. Similarly, I don't judge you harshly for being a believer (a malady also not in DSM2),
& I support your rights & civil liberties despite your religious impairments just as much as I do those of gay folk & Aspies.

Asperger Syndrome certainly does not prevent one from following the teachings of Christ!
 
The "Dr." in front of your name is an embarassment to your profession and an affront to people who actually earn their Ph.D.

Tell me, which paper mill did you get that from, or is it a title that you give yourself?

Actually, a doctorate just shows that a person can do independent research, and jump through hoops. The hardest thing I had to do in the program was to get the indeces and margins correct on my dissertation.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Actually, a doctorate just shows that a person can do independent research, and jump through hoops. The hardest thing I had to do in the program was to get the indeces and margins correct on my dissertation.

That's telling.
 
So you oppose the Defense of Marriage Act? I'm glad to hear it.

I don't actually see why it was necessary. Why should one state support another state's perversion of marriage? By the same argument that says that Defense of Marriage was unconstitutional, no state can be forced to accept such a thing from another state, so I think we're covered either way.
 
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