Recognition of Same-Sex Relationships, 1989-2010

[MysticSang'ha]

Actually, a doctorate just shows that a person can do independent research, and jump through hoops. The hardest thing I had to do in the program was to get the indeces and margins correct on my dissertation.

For real? Oh boy...

Btw, we haven't met. I'm Mystic. I'm happily bisexual. Enjoy your time here at RF.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't actually see why it was necessary. Why should one state support another state's perversion of marriage? By the same argument that says that Defense of Marriage was unconstitutional, no state can be forced to accept such a thing from another state, so I think we're covered either way.

Because it's federal law.

That's why people have been flying to Hawaii for gay marriages and then coming back to the states and enjoying the rights that marriage entails.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

For real? Oh boy...

Btw, we haven't met. I'm Mystic. I'm happily bisexual. Enjoy your time here at RF.

Better not tell him of your sexploits.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't actually see why it was necessary. Why should one state support another state's perversion of marriage?

They don't have to. One state can implement same-sex marriage even if other states prohibit it.

By the same argument that says that Defense of Marriage was unconstitutional, no state can be forced to accept such a thing from another state, so I think we're covered either way.

You've never heard of the "full faith and credit" clause, have you?

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

And it's not as if psychology is a 600-year-old discipline, either. Homosexuality was listed in the DSM from 1952 to 1973, and was removed because the evidence did not not justify listing it. In fact, much of the early research was done on prisoners and psych patients. How do you think heterosexuality would be classified if it were studied only in the population of prisons and mental hospitals? Once researchers began studying homosexuality in the context of the general population, the illusion that it was a mental illness fell away quickly.

That is not true at all. Homosexuality was not removed, but replaced with "Sexual Orientation Disturbance", which is just another way of saying the same thing.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

That is not true at all. Homosexuality was not removed, but replaced with "Sexual Orientation Disturbance", which is just another way of saying the same thing.

My goodness me.

Read the second sentence carefully, if you can.

http://www.psychiatryonline.com/DSMPDF/DSM-II_Homosexuality_Revision.pdf

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

And I wonder if you're aware how much harassment from religious leaders like you contributes to these statistics?

People come to me because they, or their children, have participated in behaviour that is sinful. With the help of God, I help them to get over their guilt and turn their lives around. How does that qualify as "harassment"?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

People come to me because they, or their children, have participated in behaviour that is sinful. With the help of God, I help them to get over their guilt and turn their lives around. How does that qualify as "harassment"?

You hold homosexuality up as a disorder that needs to be cured. This is harmful all by itself. It contributes to the toxic environment that is responsible in large part for the statistics you cited.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

Counseling isn't a game. It has real consequences and needs to be done by someone who's actually qualified to do it.

If someone came up to you and asked you to prescribe medication for their child, would that be enough justification for you do it?

No, but most doctors are not qualified to prescribe medicine either. That is why so many people are hooked on prescription narcotics, or injured or dying from taking designer prescription drugs to cure problems, like obesity, that a little faith in God and counseling could take care of. It's a prime example of why we should trust in God, not in man.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, but most doctors are not qualified to prescribe medicine either.

Even if that were true, do you think that it would make what you do acceptable?

That is why so many people are hooked on prescription narcotics, or injured or dying from taking designer prescription drugs to cure problems, like obesity, that a little faith in God and counseling could take care of. It's a prime example of why we should trust in God, not in man.

Confusing your opinions with God's will does not make you a qualified counselor.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

People come to me because they, or their children, have participated in behaviour that is sinful. With the help of God, I help them to get over their guilt and turn their lives around. How does that qualify as "harassment"?

The harassment lies in making them believe that homosexuality is a sin and that it somehow breaks one's relationship with God or that they will become objects of God's wrath. Now it's one thing to practice incompetent pastoral care on adults who come to you, and quite another to do it to their children. That's where the suicide rate jumps - when teens or college students feel that their homosexuality offends God.

It can take a lifetime to get over this, and may well lead them to atheism or another religion.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

No, but most doctors are not qualified to prescribe medicine either.

Yes. You can do just as much destruction - or more - as one of these.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

1) hmmm - I wonder how many of your conservative evangelical families are ready to accept their children? (from your first link) "Family Rejection as a Predictor of Negative Health Outcomes" led by Dr. Caitlin Ryan

Accept their children, or accept deviant sexual behaviour? If you mean the latter, I would say, hopefully, none of them.

2) From your second link (Exodus International has been working to exclude the harassment of GLBT kids from anti-bullying legislation)

Why do we need anti-bullying legislation for homosexuals? All they have to do is not engage in that behaviour and they will be fine. As to "orientation", which we in the church refer to as "temptation", no one knows, or cares, what goes through a person's mind. It is only the behaviour that is a problem.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Why do we need anti-bullying legislation for homosexuals? All they have to do is not engage in that behaviour and they will be fine. As to "orientation", which we in the church refer to as "temptation", no one knows, or cares, what goes through a person's mind. It is only the behaviour that is a problem.

(See what I mean?)

 

[Revoltingest]

The harassment lies in making them believe that homosexuality is a sin and that it somehow breaks one's relationship with God.....
It can take a lifetime to get over this, and may well lead them to atheism....

Shocking!

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

• Homophobia is largely based on religious beliefs which among Christians are derived from about 6 quotations from the Bible.

Homophobia, meaning, fear of things that are the same?

• [*]Three out of four Americans identify themselves as Christians
  [*]

Praise God for that! Let's hope that the other 25% will come around.

• [*]Most Christian churches have actively taught hatred of homosexuality for decades.
  [*]

"Homosexuality", of course, being the sin, not the sinner. We don't hate people.

• [*]Conservative Christian churches are currently leading the fight to:
  

  • Prevent gays and lesbians from enjoying rights and protections equal to the general population,
  • Prohibit marriages for loving, committed same-sex couples,
  • Oppose adoption by gay or lesbian adults, and
  • Keep accurate information on sexual orientation out of the public schools

  [*]

These indexed lists are annoying. Did you copy and paste all of this stuff from somewhere? "Accurate information on sexual orientation"? We call it "temptation", and the only information you need to know is that good Christian fellowship can help you to resist temptation.

Social, religious, and family pressure against what one is born as can cause intense suicidal depression.

I can almost agree with this. We are all born into sin, and we all suffer from temptation; however, Christians will always be opposed to any effort to make giving in to temptation to sin a socially acceptable behaviour.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Accept their children, or accept deviant sexual behaviour? If you mean the latter, I would say, hopefully, none of them.



Why do we need anti-bullying legislation for homosexuals? All they have to do is not engage in that behaviour and they will be fine. As to "orientation", which we in the church refer to as "temptation", no one knows, or cares, what goes through a person's mind. It is only the behaviour that is a problem.

Both of these statements are horribly brutal and cold.

We know that homosexual teens (and even adults) kill themselves or use drugs because of the fear or reality that their families will not accept who they are, which you encourage by your awesome misunderstanding of human and divine nature.

Especially heartless is your thinking that if kids do not participate in homosexual behavior that they will be fine. These kids don't have to participate in it to be bullied for it! Wake up!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

"Homosexuality", of course, being the sin, not the sinner. We don't hate people.

Baloney. Driving people to suicide is an act of hate, not love.

I can almost agree with this. We are all born into sin, and we all suffer from temptation; however, Christians will always be opposed to any effort to make giving in to temptation to sin a socially acceptable behaviour.

Again: baloney. The Bible has much more to say on the sin of casting judgement on others than it does on homosexuality, yet you obviously have no problem engaging in that particular sin... and apparently even arguing that it should be socially acceptable for you to do so.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

"Homosexuality", of course, being the sin, not the sinner. We don't hate people.

That is an outrageous lie.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

On the latter point, God would seem to be very tolerant of perversity, given how its practitioners often fare so well. I know so many gay folk who
experience good fortune in their lives relative to some of the faithful. I even recall from decades ago, some lesbians saying they must be God's chosen
people, since AIDS was not visited upon them. Strange, ain't it?

Careful, now. What does the Bible actually say about Lesbianism?