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Rejecting original sin
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I say the doctrine of Original Sin is a false one, not one that Jesus taught, and not one believed by the earliest Christians.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Yes, Mormonism positively rejects it. Our second Article of Faith states, "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." We don't even believe that what Adam did was technically a "sin," since he didn't know the difference between right and wrong until after he ate the forbidden fruit. But that's kind of another topic. At any rate, we believe that we become "sinners" when we "sin," and that we are born free from sin and the guilt associated with it.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
I see. So there are doctrinal conflicts among the denominations. So what other denominations do believe in original sin?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The concept of original sin arose in the middle ages, and far from all Christians believe it to day, even though it is supported by many churches.
Neither the quakers nor salvation army believe in Baptism at all.
Though a majority believe it to be a sacrement.
my own view is as follows... Which rejects original sin and the mythical story of Adam and Eve
God's love and our Free Will
Jesus instituted two sacraments: Baptism and the Eucharist.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Before you make one more post, you need to read the rules of the forum, which you've broken on multiple occasions already.
My church baptizes children raised in the faith at the age of eight as well as converts to the church who are at least eight years of age. We baptize for the remission of our own sins -- not for somebody else's sin. Jesus Christ already atoned for the sins of any of would accept His sacrifice. That includes Adam. God doesn't hold us responsible for what he did.
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
That would be Catholics and most Protestants. You might want to go over to their DIRs and put a bug in their ears asking for input.
Not at all, this is the best way it was explained to me.
Before the tree of knowledge there was no sin because their was no knowledge of good or bad.
After adam and eve ate of the tree they received the knowledge of good and bad. Since receiving that knowledge we can not stop doing bad.
As an example you rather than doing the will of god, wasted your money and time to ask this question on a computer.
All humans are the same they can not avoid doing wrong. They must have this or that rather then simply worship and have faith that god will provide for them.
He also freely admited he was a sinner, but lived a much simpler life than anyone else I know.
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Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
Aren't catholics and.protestants christians?
Last I checked...yeah
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Absolutely. I just thought that if you mentioned your thread on the Catholic and Protestant sub-forums, you might pick up a few more answers. I'm kind of surprised you haven't seen more responses, too.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I am a Christian and I do not believe in free will. Hope that helps...
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
In some of its formulations. Just thought of as "separation from God caused by self-identity" it doesn't violate "freewill" because the point of recognizing it as such is to recognize that there is no "freewill" aside from a social construct to organize and manipulate human behavior in groups.
That's why the only judgment is the one I bring on myself. The rest is covered by God's grace if I have what is necessary to see it played out in the mystery of my being - which in turn is not something over which "I" have control. The profound faith that sees separation from God as a construct is itself a gift from God.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
And I believe in original sin...
YoungChristian88
New Member
To understand if original sin is truth, we must first look at what is sin.
The bible describes sin as the trangression of God's law (1John3:4), if we look at the beginning and the fall of man. The fall of man happen when Adam eatof the fruit of which God intructed not to. This was the only rule He gave to Adam to follow. Adam knew eating of the fruit was wrong but he did it anyways.
It is also defined as disobedience or rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7). This was exactly what Adam did to commit the fall of man.
What is Original Sin?
While the term "original sin" is not expressly stated in the Bible, the Christian doctrine of original sin is based on verses that include Psalm 51:5, Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22. As a result of Adam's fall, sin entered the world. Adam, the head or root of the human race, caused every man after him to be born into a sinful state or fallen condition. Original sin, then, is the root of sin that taints the life of man. All humans have adopted this sin nature through Adam's original act of disobedience. Original sin is often referred to as "inherited sin."
How I see it is that sin is in all man since Adam rejected the rule God gave to him, it is passed down to all humankind and there was only one and will only be one who overcomes this problem and that is Jesus Christ. Jesus only overcome it by being God/the Messiah.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
The bible describes sin as the trangression of God's law (1John3:4), if we look at the beginning and the fall of man. The fall of man happen when Adam eatof the fruit of which God intructed not to. This was the only rule He gave to Adam to follow. Adam knew eating of the fruit was wrong but he did it anyways.
It is also defined as disobedience or rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7). This was exactly what Adam did to commit the fall of man.
What is Original Sin?
While the term "original sin" is not expressly stated in the Bible, the Christian doctrine of original sin is based on verses that include Psalm 51:5, Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22. As a result of Adam's fall, sin entered the world. Adam, the head or root of the human race, caused every man after him to be born into a sinful state or fallen condition. Original sin, then, is the root of sin that taints the life of man. All humans have adopted this sin nature through Adam's original act of disobedience. Original sin is often referred to as "inherited sin."
How I see it is that sin is in all man since Adam rejected the rule God gave to him, it is passed down to all humankind and there was only one and will only be one who overcomes this problem and that is Jesus Christ. Jesus only overcome it by being God/the Messiah.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
The duality of Christ as both God and human is the path through original sin. By recognizing this mystery in myself that at-on-ment is glimpsed, though not grasped.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
First off again you are proving my point about Adam and Eve. When I am born, according to Christian theology, I need to repent due to the sins of my ancient ancestors that being Adam and Eve. It makes no logical sense as to why sins are passed down generation by generation like genetic material. You can arguably say Adam and Eve had freewill however they were tempted. Their actions weren't premeditated. Besides you aren't giving me a philosophical argument as to why I am born a sinner because of Adam and Eve. According to christian theology I am determined to be a sinner. That isn't freewill if I have yet to exist in the womb, let alone to act.