Religion and homosexuality

[LittleNipper]

Silly me, there I was thinking marriage was about love....

The culmination of love in the joining of a seed and egg to make a baby that captures the traits of both parents. Silly you. babies are all about love.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The culmination of love in the joining of a seed and egg to make a baby that captures the traits of both parents. Silly you. babies are all about love.

Even the ones that come about through rape?

 

[Charity]

It would still be part of the mother even if she were raped and decided to keep the child. Love knows no bounds when it comes to a mother's love.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It would still be part of the mother even if she were raped and decided to keep the child. Love knows no bounds when it comes to a mother's love.

But the joining of "seed" and egg in this case, wouldn't really be a culmination of love.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why do so many people make such a big deal out of the "sin" of homosexuality, yet nobody seems to give a rat's @@@ about working on the sabbath? Since the latter is forbidden right in the ten commandments, you'd think it would be a bigger deal.

Personally, I'm very much against working on the Sabbath... the Jewish, Christian or Muslim Sabbath. I'd quite like to have a long weekend every weekend.

It is interesting, how you think and spew filth in your attacks against what has been put forth by me very directly, without foul language, and actually very compationately. Marriage is about children. Homosexuality is about anything but. And when this shield is held up, not you or anyone else can deny that reality.

Honestly, there are some people who marry and never have children, but it would seem that they are in the minorty. Most at least want children.

Hmm.

If marriage really was created by God for the purpose of raising children, would you mind telling God the next time you talk to him that his plan isn't running completely correctly? My wife and I (both heterosexual, married in a church, first marriage for both, meeting the whole enchilada of what I've been told God likes to see in a marriage) have been trying for kids for years and still haven't had any.

They want a boy like the father ---- Mommy's little man. They dream of daddy's little girl who resembles the mother.

Not so keen on adoption, are you?

Personally, I'd prefer that any child I have is true to himself or herself. I don't want little clones of my wife and me.

The culmination of love in the joining of a seed and egg to make a baby that captures the traits of both parents. Silly you. babies are all about love.

So... adopting a child is not "the culmination of love"? Odd view, IMO.

 

[MSizer]

It would still be part of the mother even if she were raped and decided to keep the child. Love knows no bounds when it comes to a mother's love.

Yes hence the existence of elective abortion.

 

[sojourner]

Marriage is about children.

Marriage is primarily about companionship. Note in Genesis that God could not find a suitable companion for the man among creation. God had to create woman.

They want a boy like the father ---- Mommy's little man. They dream of daddy's little girl who resembles the mother.

How very Freudian of you...

sex was designed for procreation. Marriage is about family, and not about one's preoccupations.

Even Tim LaHaye will tell you that sex was also designed for mutual pleasure. Marriage is about companionship.

Love needs no sex.

Eros does.

Marriage does not deserve to be reduced to some badge of sexual pandering.

Nor does it deserve to be reduced to some badge of procreation.

 

[sojourner]

The culmination of love in the joining of a seed and egg to make a baby that captures the traits of both parents. Silly you. babies are all about love.

Silly you. Sometimes babies are all about victimization and rape. The child still captures the traits of both parents, even if it's a product of violence instead of love.

 

[Baydwin]

The culmination of love in the joining of a seed and egg to make a baby that captures the traits of both parents. Silly you. babies are all about love.

So infertile and voluntarily sterilised people can't love?

You have a strange concept of love. I love my parents, I love my siblings, I love my friends and I love my god, yet none of that love is based on my desire to mate with them. Perhaps I'm just weird.

 

[sojourner]

If marriage really was created by God for the purpose of raising children, would you mind telling God the next time you talk to him that his plan isn't running completely correctly? My wife and I (both heterosexual, married in a church, first marriage for both, meeting the whole enchilada of what I've been told God likes to see in a marriage) have been trying for kids for years and still haven't had any.

What's wrong with you?! ::wags finger at Penguin::

 

[sojourner]

I'm against homosexuals working on the Sabbath.

some are against homosexuals playing on the Sabbath. Imagine! Not only can they not marry, they can't even observe Sabbath now. My, aren't we a friendly lot?!

 

[Smoke]

I was speaking in reference to future actions I was not clear, excuse me.

What you said was very clear, and it made to reference to any hypothetical future in which sexual orientation might become a protected class. You said: If I had been Gay and held protected status I would have had a case and justice would have been served!

Protected Class: The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class, and is entitled to the benefits of EEO law. However, the EEO laws were passed to correct a history of unfavorable treatment of women and minority group members.

Yes, the laws were passed because of rampant discrimination against women and minorities. But every race, religion, etc., is protected. Not just women, and not just minorities.

Quota: Fixed hiring and promotion rates based on race, sex, or other protected class standards which must be met at all costs. In extreme cases, the courts have assigned quotas to some employers who have continued to practice illegal discrimination. The agency or any other employer cannot use quotas to meet their affirmative action goals unless a court orders it. Quotas are considered discriminatory against males and other non minority people.

I know some people consider them discriminatory, but again, quotas are just a loss of privilege, and as you yourself say, they're applied in cases where there has been wanton discrimination in an attempt to restore some balance.

And it plays along with this. You can say all you want to say I was there it was me and I was screwed because I don't claim to be Native American. I know what you are saying but that is not the way it really works, epically when the investigator is black.

No, you don't understand how it works. Discrimination still occurs despite the law. Every member of a minority understands that. The law doesn't make discrimination go away, and when it does it occur, you don't just file a complaint and get some bureaucrat to wave a magic wand and make it go away. Do you seriously think that's how it works for minorities? The laws give you a legal basis to work with. Proving discrimination and seeking redress for it is still a lot of work.

 

[McBell]

It is interesting, how you think and spew filth in your attacks against what has been put forth by me very directly, without foul language, and actually very compationately. Marriage is about children. Homosexuality is about anything but. And when this shield is held up, not you or anyone else can deny that reality.

Honestly, there are some people who marry and never have children, but it would seem that they are in the minorty. Most at least want children. They want a boy like the father ---- Mommy's little man. They dream of daddy's little girl who resembles the mother.

Any filth you see with what I have said is entirely in your head.

Still piling on the bull ****.
One would think that your arms would get tired with all the shovelling.

Why are you so scared of that thread?
or is avoiding that thread what gives you the strength to continue shovelling the bull ****?

 

[McBell]

They have the right to pretend at anything they wish.

though none are as good at it as you.

 

[Autodidact]

Marriage is about children.

And that is LittleNipper's worldview, and the rest of you have to abide by it, whether you like it or not. What's love got to do with it? Nothing.

 

[LittleNipper]

And that is LittleNipper's worldview, and the rest of you have to abide by it, whether you like it or not. What's love got to do with it? Nothing.

The question is, what has homosexuality to do with marriage?

 

[LittleNipper]

Still piling on the bull ****.
One would think that your arms would get tired with all the shovelling.

Why are you so scared of that thread?
or is avoiding that thread what gives you the strength to continue shovelling the bull ****?

You are the one that is scared of opinion. I simply take everything you have to say with a grain of salt.

 

[LittleNipper]

Personally, I'm very much against working on the Sabbath... the Jewish, Christian or Muslim Sabbath. I'd quite like to have a long weekend every weekend.


Hmm.

If marriage really was created by God for the purpose of raising children, would you mind telling God the next time you talk to him that his plan isn't running completely correctly? My wife and I (both heterosexual, married in a church, first marriage for both, meeting the whole enchilada of what I've been told God likes to see in a marriage) have been trying for kids for years and still haven't had any.


Not so keen on adoption, are you?

Personally, I'd prefer that any child I have is true to himself or herself. I don't want little clones of my wife and me.


So... adopting a child is not "the culmination of love"? Odd view, IMO.

You want to be a "friend" and not a parent. To be a parent takes love and some hard work. It isn't like buying a pet dog...

 

[McBell]

The question is, what has homosexuality to do with marriage?

Well, for your loveless worldview, nothing.
Unfortunately for you, though, Your worldview is not the be all end all view.
Fact is that you particular loveless worldview is in the minority.
It is the exception, not the rule.
And the thing that really torques your nuts, is that no one is required to live according to your loveless worldview.

 

[Tristesse]

The question is, what has homosexuality to do with marriage?

No, the question is, what business is it of yours to dictate who can and cannot get married?