Religion and Socialism

[Truth in love]

I find this very interesting, because, in my opinion, religion is inherently hateful due to the fact that it's directly tied to hierarchical authority, promoting religious (and often clerical) supremacism and acting in what Sartre referred to as "bad faith."

Socialism, by contrast, tends to teach that people shouldn't be able to horde what others need to stay alive, and even when socialism has gone horrifically wrong (like in the USSR) people still had free healthcare, free food, free education, and job stability.

So I actually see it the other way around.

Grated many abuse religion to be greedy and harm others. But the core is beautiful.

socilism on the other hand at its core is rotten filled with greed, laziness etc.

Where is the evidence?
Which system murdered 100 million people in the 1900’s?
Which theory dominates the riots across the US?
which theory is happy to sacrifice the individual and reduced a person to being just a number?

 

[Truth in love]

Religion is an organized way of beliefs and the promotion of that. It is not necessarily about love.

some may not be.

Love is central to the teachings of Christ. It’s notable in Buddhism. I’ve made less of a study of Hinduism, but I see it.

 

[HonestJoe]

is religion a socialist type organization and if so, why would a religious person be against socialism but utilizing social programs; such as....police, fire, military and education programs?

That would depends entirely on the religion. Nothing about the general concept of religions is especially for or against any socialist concepts but different religions, sects or denominations could involve socialist principles or the exact opposite (and sometimes both at the same time).

 

[F1fan]

these items are at the heart of socialism
Taxation is theft. And it goes way beyond paying for the police.

Taxation is theft? Then how does a society pay for roads, police, fire set, schools, etc? Sounds like you want the benefits of society without paying your fair share for it. THAT'S theft.

 

[Father Heathen]

these items are at the heart of socialism

You just repeated your statement rather than explain it.

Taxation is theft. And it goes way beyond paying for the police.

Did you not read the verse with contained Jesus' words regarding taxation?

 

[Truth in love]

You just repeated your statement rather than explain it.
Did you not read the verse with contained Jesus' words regarding taxation?

In Socialism a small group has total control over the economy. Those pushing for socialism often use tactics of division, covering, lying, hate, violence etc to push their agenda. Many of them profit greatly from the suffering of others. While a free market does not end all suffering puts people in charge of their lives, it allows many many people to be rich. Those greedy for power can gain it by being nice. No gun is out to my head to force me to comply with your whim.

A free market is a great economic system. It is not the best moral system. The paring of religious values common in most beliefs to care for the poor solves most of this.

Obeying the law “render unto Caesar “ does not mean it’s an endorsement of anything and everything Caesar may wish to do.

 

[Father Heathen]

In Socialism a small group has total control over the economy. Those pushing for socialism often use tactics of division, covering, lying, hate, violence etc to push their agenda. Many of them profit greatly from the suffering of others. While a free market does not end all suffering puts people in charge of their lives, it allows many many people to be rich. Those greedy for power can gain it by being nice. No gun is out to my head to force me to comply with your whim.

A free market is a great economic system. It is not the best moral system. The paring of religious values common in most beliefs to care for the poor solves most of this.

Obeying the law “render unto Caesar “ does not mean it’s an endorsement of anything and everything Caesar may wish to do.

What do you see as examples of people pushing for socialism?

 

[Truth in love]

What do you see as examples of people pushing for socialism?

Black Lives Matter
Antifa,
CRT
Pretty much the entire Democratic Party
Green and socialist parties
A lot of unions.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Who gives the most to charity?
Who is willing to spend their money not just others?

Christians tend to give to mostly church-related charities but what about those who help everyone? Protestant charities make people listen to a sermon before helping. I don't know about LDS or Catholic ones though. I wish charities could help the country in a global and stable manner, but it doesn't. I do like the idea of Fast Sunday though. I think LDS does better in that way than Protestants do. Catholics are pretty good at it too.

 

[Sand Dancer]

He rejected it.
“thou shalt not steal, covet, kill, have other gods…”.

Those are OT laws by Yahweh. Jesus sometimes refuted the OT.

 

[Truth in love]

Christians tend to give to mostly church-related charities but what about those who help everyone? Protestant charities make people listen to a sermon before helping. I don't know about LDS or Catholic ones though. I wish charities could help the country in a global and stable manner, but it doesn't. I do like the idea of Fast Sunday though. I think LDS does better in that way than Protestants do. Catholics are pretty good at it too.

both LDS and Catholic charities offer help without the sermon.

the size of poverty is beyond the size of the churches, but they get a lot done. Much of it is not just handouts, but job training, education etc.

 

[Truth in love]

Those are OT laws by Yahweh. Jesus sometimes refuted the OT.

Some parts came to and end, but the 20 commandments did not.

 

[Kenny]

is religion a socialist type organization and if so, why would a religious person be against socialism but utilizing social programs; such as....police, fire, military and education programs?

Religion is not strictly a socialist type of organization. It has a mixture of self responsibility, caring for your brother, rewards for the diligent and consequences for the irresponsible.

By and large, I don't know of any religious organization that doesn't support the need of fire, military and educating the elementary through high-school young people by taxation. (thought there might be some)

 

[Father Heathen]

Black Lives Matter
Antifa,
CRT

What on earth do those have to do with economic models?

Pretty much the entire Democratic Party

The Democratic party is actually considered center right by European standards. What about their platform in particular do you consider "socialist"?

Green and socialist parties

Parties that get <%1of the vote.

 

[Father Heathen]

...self responsibility, caring for your brother, rewards for the diligent and consequences for the irresponsible.

I'm not exactly a proponent of socialism, but do you believe these things to be somehow incompatible with it?

 

[Father Heathen]

Some parts came to and end, but the 20 commandments did not.

What were the extra ten?

 

[Truth in love]

What on earth do those have to do with economic models?

The Democratic party is actually considered center right by European standards. What about their platform in particular do you consider "socialist"?

Parties that get <%1of the vote.

both the dems and these “social action “ groups keep demanding federal control of the economy.
Not sure how the dems would be right if center the former Swedish PM rejected the things Sanders was demanding as being too socialist.

Under their demands There would be no right to freedom of speech, religion property, arms etc.

my wages would be set by them, the size of my home the setting on my to thermostat etc all decided by not me.

 

[Truth in love]

What were the extra ten?

Lol fat thumbs

 

[Father Heathen]

both the dems and these “social action “ groups keep demanding federal control of the economy.

Citation please.

Not sure how the dems would be right if center the former Swedish PM rejected the things Sanders was demanding as being too socialist.

Even if this were true, Sanders doesn't represent the entire party.

Under their demands There would be no right to freedom of speech, religion property, arms etc.

my wages would be set by them, the size of my home the setting on my to thermostat etc all decided by not me.

Can you quote or give a source for any of these demands? Speaking of free speech, who has tried to ban books and flag burning?

There is truth or love in making **** up.

 

[Truth in love]

Citation please.
Even if this were true, Sanders doesn't represent the entire party.


Can you quote or give a source for any of these demands? Speaking of free speech, who has tried to ban books and flag burning?

There is truth or love in making **** up.

You can ask nicely you don’t have to launch a false accusation.

anti government demands (down a bit in the page). https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/antifa-releases-list-demands-taking-6-square-block-section-seattle-setting-armed-security-watch-list-includes-reparations-ending-police-dept/



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