Religion Done Right

[The Neo Nerd]

Evidence????????????????
There is no evidence needed for a faith based belief.

Faith is the excuse given when there is no evidence.

A celebration of willful ignorance is not something to be proud of.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

No atheist has ever proved the non-existense of God. Only their belief that there is no God.

 

[jeager106]

Faith is the excuse given when there is no evidence.

A celebration of willful ignorance is not something to be proud of.

I and millions & millions of faithful would disagree as would many in the
field of psychology.
Faith is a necessary component of a healthy individual.
"We act in faith when there is no guarantee, no certainty. No one knows what kind of life an infant will have, yet people continue to have children. No one can know how life with our mates will turn out, yet we continue to have faith our relationships will last a lifetime."

The above from:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/am-i-right/201209/why-faith-is-important

Please read the article. You will be the better for doing so.
Faith is a VITAL part of the human condition. Denying faith denies your humanness.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Actually faith lets us see the evidence that is right in front of our eyes but those without faith cannot see it.There is no celebration of ignorance but a celebration of the evidence that faith lets us see.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Actually faith lets us see the evidence that is right in front of our eyes but those without faith cannot see it.There is no celebration of ignorance but a celebration of the evidence that faith lets us see.

What type of evidence?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I and millions & millions of faithful would disagree as would many in the
field of psychology.
Faith is a necessary component of a healthy individual.
"We act in faith when there is no guarantee, no certainty. No one knows what kind of life an infant will have, yet people continue to have children. No one can know how life with our mates will turn out, yet we continue to have faith our relationships will last a lifetime."

The above from:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/am-i-right/201209/why-faith-is-important

Please read the article. You will be the better for doing so.
Faith is a VITAL part of the human condition. Denying faith denies your humanness.

I am well aware of the psychological utility of faith. A lot of things have psychological utility that are not based in reality. Defense mechanisms for example. A lot of them hinder a persons psychological growth. This is why psychologists help people to overcome them.

The article is not talking about the type of faith you are talking about. The kind of faith you are talking about involves believing that something exists without evidence to back it up.

The type of faith the article is talking about is hope for a desired outcome.

Not the same.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

No atheist has ever proved the non-existense of God. Only their belief that there is no God.

No atheist has ever proved the non-existence of vishnu.

Are you willing to admit vishnu is real as well?

 

[jeager106]

I am well aware of the psychological utility of faith. A lot of things have psychological utility that are not based in reality. Defense mechanisms for example. A lot of them hinder a persons psychological growth. This is why psychologists help people to overcome them.

The article is not talking about the type of faith you are talking about. The kind of faith you are talking about involves believing that something exists without evidence to back it up.

The type of faith the article is talking about is hope for a desired outcome.

Not the same.

Thank you for clarifying that for me. Greatly appreciated.

 

[Ingledsva]

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It is interesting that the people who call themselves heathens or atheists are the ones who try to tell people who believe in God and the Bible that they are wrong.

Nice try! No go!

I was raised Christian, took Comparative Religion, and a separate course from the Catholic Church.

It is my STUDY of the Bible that told me it was NOT the word of any God.

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[jeager106]

No atheist has ever proved the non-existence of vishnu.

Are you willing to admit vishnu is real as well?

Ahhhhh............what, pray tell, is a vishnu??????

Never mind. Looked it up:
vishnu:The "All-Pervading" One. In Hinduism, Vishnu, whose name means "All-Pervading," is the protector of the world and the restorer of moral order (dharma).

 

[Neo Deist]

No, a church should be more about serving God and following what is in the Bible.

If that is the case, then why does the Church teach that Christians go to heaven when they die, when the Bible never says that? It actually says all go to the grave and await judgment day, after which the righteous go on to paradise on new earth, not heaven. It's right there in Revelation 20 and Revelation 21.

That and if you eat pork in any shape or form as a Christian, then you are a hypocrite and not following what's in the Bible.

 

[jeager106]

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Nice try! No go!

I was raised Christian, took Comparative Religion, and a separate course from the Catholic Church.

It is my STUDY of the Bible that told me it was NOT the word of any God.
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Gee.....I wish you had the space on this forum to elaborate what you mean by
saying your STUDY of the Bible told you it wasn't the word of any God.
Studying the Bible proves there is no God.
How interesting that is to me.

 

[Ingledsva]

I expect nothing. Just stating what the Bible says. You are free to accept or reject it.

You are stating what a TRANSLATION says, - and nothing more.

You cannot prove there are actual verses against homosexuality, - rather then against Sacred Sex Idolatry, - in the Bible.

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[Sees]

He may think the organisation is worth reforming.

Making it more christ like than christian.

Part of me says, "right on!" and another part of me says, "he knew what the deal was when he got into it."

I'm left pretty neutral about his case/cause in the end. There would be a lot less heartache if all churches/denominations were more universalist and welcoming, approving wholesale but I think they have a right to be what they are. Can start bumping into the idea that they really aren't allowed to believe X because most folks don't like it.

I wonder if there is a way to get solid general feedback on positive vs negative member reactions (especially attendance) due to these type of modern reforms actually going into effect.

 

[Riverwolf]

It is interesting that the people who call themselves heathens or atheists are the ones who try to tell people who believe in God and the Bible that they are wrong.

If you please, spell it with a capital "H". I'm not a heathen; I'm a Heathen. It's a full-fledged religion.

I won't tell you that you're "wrong" in your belief in your God and Bible. However, I'm not going to hide my disbelief in that same God and Bible.

 

[Ingledsva]

Gee.....I wish you had the space on this forum to elaborate what you mean by
saying your STUDY of the Bible told you it wasn't the word of any God.
Studying the Bible proves there is no God.
How interesting that is to me.

I didn't say there is no God.

I said the God of the Bible isn't God.

To me a "God" that gives laws that allow murder, owning women, slavery, etc, - and also has hissy-fits and destroys the innocent along with the guilty, or murders babies for the sins of the fathers, or has raped or destroyed, women and children for the sins of males, such as in the story of King David, is not a God, these are simply the writings of males whom want to do these things, or believe they have some patriarchal right to do these things.

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[Ingledsva]

I expect nothing. Just stating what the Bible says. You are free to accept or reject it.

You saying, "I expect nothing," is bull.

You folks keep bringing up homosexuality.

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[lostwanderingsoul]

I don't know who "you folks" are but the Bible says a man should not lie with another man like he would with a woman. It is not my opinion but the words of the Bible. Of course, people who do not believe in the Bible will find some excuse to say it does not mean what it says. Again, that is your opinion. But the Bible is very clear. The original post was about a person who was supporting the LGBT community so that is what brought up the subject of homosexuality - not "yu folks."

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I said the God of the Bible isn't God.

Exactly. The Bible isn't God, nor is it some pocket universe or something. It's a book. Everyone in it are CHARACTERS.

I don't know who "you folks" are but the Bible says a man should not lie with another man like he would with a woman. It is not my opinion but the words of the Bible. Of course, people who do not believe in the Bible will find some excuse to say it does not mean what it says. Again, that is your opinion. But the Bible is very clear. The original post was about a person who was supporting the LGBT community so that is what brought up the subject of homosexuality - not "yu folks."

The bible says lots of things.

The bible is all over the place with "abominations".

The bible is guilty of these relevant tropes:
Bread, Eggs, Milk, and Squick

Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking

The bible says what it says, but sometimes what it says is immoral or stupid.

 

[Riverwolf]

I don't know who "you folks" are but the Bible says a man should not lie with another man like he would with a woman. It is not my opinion but the words of the Bible.

It is your opinion if you agree with it. It just so happens to also be an opinion you share with the author of Leviticus, and perhaps got it from.

Of course, people who do not believe in the Bible will find some excuse to say it does not mean what it says. Again, that is your opinion. But the Bible is very clear.

I couldn't care less whether it's clear or not. I'm not subject to its opinions.