Thief
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science is an attempt to discover.....how God did it
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Religion Has Nothing to Do With Science
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paarsurrey
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[QUOTE="QuestioningMind, post: 6396740, member: 25412"]Because the scientific method deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY.[/QUOTE]
Is the above sentence "Because the scientific method deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY" from Religion or from Science.
I hold that it is not from the Word of Revelation from the truthful Religion. And if it is from Science, then kindly quote from a textbook of Science or from a peer-reviewed article published in a journal of repute in support of one's expression, please. Right, please?
Regards
Is the above sentence "Because the scientific method deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY" from Religion or from Science.
I hold that it is not from the Word of Revelation from the truthful Religion. And if it is from Science, then kindly quote from a textbook of Science or from a peer-reviewed article published in a journal of repute in support of one's expression, please. Right, please?
Regards
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Is the above sentence "Because the scientific method deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY" from Religion or from Science.
I hold that it is not from the Word of Revelation from the truthful Religion. And if it is from Science, then kindly quote from a textbook of Science or from a peer-reviewed article published in a journal of repute in support of one's expression, please. Right, please?
Regards[/QUOTE]
It's from ME. It's MY opinion on the subject. Science deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY. There is no 'truthful' religion with words of revelation. It's all make-believe nonsense.
The Anointed
Well-Known Member
It's from ME. It's MY opinion on the subject. Science deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY. There is no 'truthful' religion with words of revelation. It's all make-believe nonsense.[/QUOTE]
So say the biblically ignorant atheists, who believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? When even the majority of scientists of today accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe.
The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. If energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which was spewed out of a White Hole, in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which eternal energy has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.
That eternal energy which has neither beginning of end over the aeons of its eternal existence has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God, the collective consciousness of all that he has become.
In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.
If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.
Quantum Physics.... Atoms are swirling vortices of energy. - Bing
An Extract from the above link.....Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)
This universe is a visible manifestation, of the invisible mind that is the eternal God.
Romans 1: 18; God’s anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature have been clearly seen in the creation, [which is the expression of all the information that has been gathered to the evolving mind in the eternal invisible LOGOS.]
The Logos/word, should be seen as the gathered information of past aeons that is waiting to be expressed. The LOGOS is in fact, the invisible living universal mind, in which is gathered all of the information of every universal body throughout all eternity and should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.
The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term “LOGOS” or the mould. The mould by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
@The Anointed , I like the tone of your posts, but they are so long that I skip reading them. 
You are making a generalized statement which may not apply to all religion.
I agree to this part of your post. I would not say idiots, I would say ignorant.
As I mentioned earlier, Check 'Advaita' Hinduism and perhaps you would have found your answer. Leaner than even Buddhism.
What is physical and what is not physical? There is no dividing line. Energy changes into matter and vice-versa.
Yeah, of course, like "do you not see that we have rent the moon in two?" (forget the exact passage, though easy to get it on internet). Sure, all science and scientific 'signs' in it. Governments and educational institutions are needlessly wasting money on science.
And what is that?
Which religions are you talking about?
You are making a generalized statement which may not apply to all religion.
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The Anointed
Well-Known Member
@The Anointed , I like the tone of your posts, but they are so long that I skip reading them.
You are making a generalized statement which may not apply to every religion.
Am I responsible for the fact that you have such a short attention span? I like to fully cover the subject that I"M responding to. There are others who are able to read and comprehend that which is written.
I agree. Except when studying the phenomena of religion, which is more philosophy than science, but uses knowledge from science (such as brain functioning, evolutionary adaption, psychology).
Can you tell me what is the difference between believing that black cats bring bad luck, and believing that winged horses bring prophets to heaven?
And how can science help in making one claim more plausible than the other?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It's from ME. It's MY opinion on the subject. Science deals with REALITY and religions deal with FANTASY. There is no 'truthful' religion with words of revelation. It's all make-believe nonsense.[/QUOTE]
"It's from ME"
Thanks for clarifying that it is just one's own story-telling and has got nothing to do with Religion ,Science and or Reality.
Regards
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
"It's from ME"
Thanks for clarifying that it is just one's own story-telling and has got nothing to do with Religion ,Science and or Reality.
Regards[/QUOTE]
JUST as much as your claims are just one's own story and has got nothing to do with reality. At least MY version of reality has afforded us things like a concept of disease theory, an understanding that the Earth orbits around the sun, and the ability to manipulate electrons so that we can communicate via the Internet. Whereas YOUR understanding of reality has resulted in a fractured religious landscape in which virtually ANYTHING can be claimed without requiring verifiable evidence. MY method is for adults and YOUR method is for gullible little children.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
So say the biblically ignorant atheists, who believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? When even the majority of scientists of today accept that it is the eternal energy which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe.
The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. If energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this material universe at the time of the Big Bang was pure electromagnetic energy, which was spewed out of a White Hole, in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which eternal energy has been converted to that which we perceive as matter only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.
That eternal energy which has neither beginning of end over the aeons of its eternal existence has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] or God, the collective consciousness of all that he has become.
In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.
If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.
Quantum Physics.... Atoms are swirling vortices of energy. - Bing
An Extract from the above link.....Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)
This universe is a visible manifestation, of the invisible mind that is the eternal God.
Romans 1: 18; God’s anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature have been clearly seen in the creation, [which is the expression of all the information that has been gathered to the evolving mind in the eternal invisible LOGOS.]
The Logos/word, should be seen as the gathered information of past aeons that is waiting to be expressed. The LOGOS is in fact, the invisible living universal mind, in which is gathered all of the information of every universal body throughout all eternity and should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.
The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term “LOGOS” or the mould. The mould by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.[/QUOTE]
Until you can provide some verifiable evidence that your 'eternal energy' possess some sort of a 'mindfulness', it's very easy for me to dismiss such a claim as being purely wishful thinking on your part. I'm quite content to wait for the scientific method to provide us with some definitive answers as to HOW the universe came into existence. You claiming that GOD DID IT provides us with absolutely NO answers as to HOW it happened. You may as well just state I DON'T KNOW... which is absolutely FINE... since science does so all of the time. But just quit pretending like making the unverified claim that GOD DID IT, as if that provides us with any useful answers whatsoever.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
Religion is a universal social institution across cultures which has evolved over time. It must indicate, at the very least, some important objective quality of the human psyche and therefore a topic to be addressed by the science of psychology.
dad
Undefeated
Nonsense. That just shows you have no close relationship with reality. Origins sciences are 100% pure faith and faith alone. So, unless you specify what 'science' you are talking about, we cannot hold it to be true that science deals with reality. Some of it (in the fishbowl) yes. Much of it...definitely absolutely not.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
In my religion a study of God's creation through science is an important spiritual practice.
Then again, finding meaning in my life has often taken a rigor that makes performing a scientific experiment seem easy by comparison.
The Anointed
Well-Known Member
Until you can provide some verifiable evidence that your 'eternal energy' possess some sort of a 'mindfulness', it's very easy for me to dismiss such a claim as being purely wishful thinking on your part. I'm quite content to wait for the scientific method to provide us with some definitive answers as to HOW the universe came into existence. You claiming that GOD DID IT provides us with absolutely NO answers as to HOW it happened. You may as well just state I DON'T KNOW... which is absolutely FINE... since science does so all of the time. But just quit pretending like making the unverified claim that GOD DID IT, as if that provides us with any useful answers whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
It is your scientists who tell you that energy cannot be created and can never be destroyed, Don't you believe in the law of thermodynamics and Conservation?
It is your scientists who tell you that in the beginning there was, what they call 'The Big Band, when electromagnetic energy exploded out in the trillions and trillions of degrees and which has become this universe and all therein, ever living creature IN EXISTENCE with all the information that they have gathered are simply that eternal energy as it appears today. Don't you believe your scientists?
It is your scientists from the field of Quantum mechanics who make statements such as the following...…. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)----------- The collective consciousness of all that exists.
It is your scientists that are just beginning to come to terms with 'The Big Crunch,' which our ancient ancestors spoke of thousands of years ago.
“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.
‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”
The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.
Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.
A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.
A universe in the eternal process of evolution, with each generation of the universe still in existence in its own position in Space-Time.
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QuestioningMind
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QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
It is your scientists who tell you that energy cannot be created and can never be destroyed, Don't you believe in the law of thermodynamics and Conservation?
It is your scientists who tell you that in the beginning there was, what they call 'The Big Band, when electromagnetic energy exploded out in the trillions and trillions of degrees and which has become this universe and all therein, ever living creature IN EXISTENCE with all the information that they have gathered are simply that eternal energy as it appears today. Don't you believe your scientists?
It is your scientists from the field of Quantum mechanics who make statements such as the following...…. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)----------- The collective consciousness of all that exists.
It is your scientists that are just beginning to come to terms with 'The Big Crunch,' which our ancient ancestors spoke of thousands of years ago.
“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.
‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”
The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.
Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.
A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.
It is your scientists who tell you that energy cannot be created and can never be destroyed, Don't you believe in the law of thermodynamics and Conservation?
It is your scientists who tell you that in the beginning there was, what they call 'The Big Band, when electromagnetic energy exploded out in the trillions and trillions of degrees and which has become this universe and all therein, ever living creature IN EXISTENCE with all the information that they have gathered are simply that eternal energy as it appears today. Don't you believe your scientists?
I suggest that you learn basic reading comprehension. At no point did I even suggest that I don't believe in the law of T & C or the Big Bang theory. What I DID ask you - and what you failed miserably to provide - was your EVIDENCE that this eternal energy possesses any sort of consciousness.
As for your quotes from scientists... I couldn't care less what any individual scientists claims. Individual scientists are often WRONG. What matters is what the scientific method reveals and there is currently ZERO scientific evidence that this eternal energy possess any consciousness.