Religion Has Nothing to Do With Science

[dad]

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ROFL... sure, go ahead and tell me what method you think that human beings have found that has been MORE reliable at determining how the universe works than the scientific method? Heck, I'd settle for a method that's even AS reliable as the scientific method has been. I'll wait.

Reliably wrong in the origins dept. Reliably dangerous in other areas where it actually works! I would think of science a bit like I would think of a garden grown over that also had an old apple tree. It is possible to find some good little sour apple, or maybe some veggie in the ground if we dig around the nettles etc. But there is a lot of pests, and weeds, and bad fruit also. So don't hold up some little crab apple and proclaim, see how wonderful the fruit in the science garden is.

 

[paarsurrey]

In my religion a study of God's creation through science is an important spiritual practice.

Then again, finding meaning in my life has often taken a rigor that makes performing a scientific experiment seem easy by comparison.

"In my religion a study of God's creation through science is an important spiritual practice."

Truly said.

Regards
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[3:192]الَّذِیۡنَ یَذۡکُرُوۡنَ اللّٰہَ قِیٰمًا وَّ قُعُوۡدًا وَّ عَلٰی جُنُوۡبِہِمۡ وَ یَتَفَکَّرُوۡنَ فِیۡ خَلۡقِ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ۚ رَبَّنَا مَا خَلَقۡتَ ہٰذَا بَاطِلًا ۚ سُبۡحٰنَکَ فَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ ﴿۱۹۲﴾
Those who remember Allah while standing, sitting, and lying on their sides, and ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, Thou hast not created this in vain; nay, Holy art Thou; save us, then, from the punishment of the Fire.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 3: Aal-e-`Imran

 

[Thief]

Which God do you believe in?

Ciao

- viole

THE Almighty

there can be only one

THE Creator

it is believed.....there can be only one

 

[Thief]

In my religion a study of God's creation through science is an important spiritual practice.

Then again, finding meaning in my life has often taken a rigor that makes performing a scientific experiment seem easy by comparison.

ok...
science has a list of rules to be sure of what to believe
and belief also has a set of rules....what to believe

and we are here to learn all that we can before we die

there is no mystery to life
the body has one ability......deliever this reality to your mind and heart

does this help?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Can you tell me what is the difference between believing that black cats bring bad luck, and believing that winged horses bring prophets to heaven?

And how can science help in making one claim more plausible than the other?

Ciao

- viole

Religion shorn of vain imaginings and superstition can be a powerful force once again to bring hearts together. Science and reason can help religion discard many superstitious beliefs which hold it back from being in harmony with other Faiths.

 

[viole]

Religion shorn of vain imaginings and superstition can be a powerful force once again to bring hearts together. Science and reason can help religion discard many superstitious beliefs which hold it back from being in harmony with other Faiths.

You mean beliefs like Messiahs taking off to Heaven despite gravity?

Ciao

- viole

 

[loverofhumanity]

You mean beliefs like Messiahs taking off to Heaven despite gravity?

Ciao

- viole

I mean that a lot of the language in the Holy Books is spiritual and symbolical and science is needed to help religion make sense.

 

[firedragon]

I'm going to take the position that religion has nothing to do with science.

Do you disagree?
Why?

What do you mean religion doesn't have have anything to do with science? Is it like saying music doesn't have anything to do with mathematics? Completely different subjects? Is that what you mean?

Science of what? All of this depends on what science you are speaking of. Religion is used by a lot of people in the science of persuasion. So is philosophy, fascism and atheism. Some address statism as a religion. Religion in its essence means a binding. You could be bound to many things. If you are speaking of theism, then yet, its used extensively in statism. And science is also used in statism. In many ways these are very much interrelated. One must define the question very specifically in order not to be too shallow in the exploration. Thus, please do.

 

[Nakosis]

What do you mean religion doesn't have have anything to do with science? Is it like saying music doesn't have anything to do with mathematics? Completely different subjects? Is that what you mean?

Science of what? All of this depends on what science you are speaking of. Religion is used by a lot of people in the science of persuasion. So is philosophy, fascism and atheism. Some address statism as a religion. Religion in its essence means a binding. You could be bound to many things. If you are speaking of theism, then yet, its used extensively in statism. And science is also used in statism. In many ways these are very much interrelated. One must define the question very specifically in order not to be too shallow in the exploration. Thus, please do.

Science is a process of validation of claims. It's a method to verify the truth of a claim or theory. Really to eliminate false claims. So what formal method is promoted by religious doctrine to eliminate the false claims of its doctrine?

 

[viole]

I mean that a lot of the language in the Holy Books is spiritual and symbolical and science is needed to help religion make sense.

Yeah. Lucky me that science does not need religion to make sense.

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Science is a process of validation of claims. It's a method to verify the truth of a claim or theory. Really to eliminate false claims. So what formal method is promoted by religious doctrine to eliminate the false claims of its doctrine?

Right. This is a completely different topic in comparison to the statement made in the OP.

Religion is by large a man made institution built on faith. Science (e.g. chemistry) is a different subject. Both work differently. What you are addressing is evidence based validation of God. Not religion. This is the same request made over and over again by atheists. I understand its a valid question, but its not put right in the OP.

Saying science has nothing to do with religion is a completely false statement. These kind of things are not objective bro.

Cheers.

 

[Nakosis]

Saying science has nothing to do with religion is a completely false statement. These kind of things are not objective bro.
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That wasn't said in the OP.

 

[firedragon]

That wasn't said in the OP.

Okay.

 

[QuestioningMind]

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Reliably wrong in the origins dept. Reliably dangerous in other areas where it actually works! I would think of science a bit like I would think of a garden grown over that also had an old apple tree. It is possible to find some good little sour apple, or maybe some veggie in the ground if we dig around the nettles etc. But there is a lot of pests, and weeds, and bad fruit also. So don't hold up some little crab apple and proclaim, see how wonderful the fruit in the science garden is.

Eh, okay... I'll take that to mean that NO you do NOT know of any method that has been more successful at determining how the universe works than the scientific method. Thanks for playing!

 

[dad]

Eh, okay... I'll take that to mean that NO you do NOT know of any method that has been more successful at determining how the universe works than the scientific method.

I know of no method that works worse.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I know of no method that works worse.

Then you clearly know VERY little. For instance... the silly bible claims that illness is caused by being possessed by demons. How moronic is THAT? Or do you go visit your local priest to have the demons purged from your body when you get sick?

 

[OldTimeNESter]

As I understand it, science aims to provide naturalistic explanations for phenomena of interest, such as weather; it excludes supernatural explanations by assumption (and quite rightly). So, it can't say anything about whether God exists, etc., just as it can't tell us who to love or the scope of inherent rights all humans should enjoy.

Science is very powerful within its sphere, but that sphere is fairly narrow compared to the range of questions we would all really like answers to. The problem is that alternative ways to resolve truth claims (e.g. metaphysics) don't really work; or, at least, no one has come up with a metaphysical framework as compelling as the double-slit experiment that can serve as an impartial arbiter. I can demonstrate the Law of Gravity to a skeptical audience, and those listening in good faith will agree that it works as advertised; I know of no other methodology that can claim this, nor can I imagine what one might look like.

 

[dad]

Then you clearly know VERY little. For instance... the silly bible claims that illness is caused by being possessed by demons. How moronic is THAT? Or do you go visit your local priest to have the demons purged from your body when you get sick?

How would you know if some bad things were caused by demons...or not? You have a ghost buster machine?

 

[QuestioningMind]

How would you know if some bad things were caused by demons...or not? You have a ghost buster machine?

No, but I DO have the ability to employ logic and reason beyond that of a four year old... something that you apparently lack.

So you seem to believe in demons and ghosts, eh? How about magical pixies and hobgoblins? Are you afraid of vampires and are you convinced that the moon is made of green cheese as well? Is there ANY fantastically moronic claim that you don't buy into?

 

[dad]

No, but I DO have the ability to employ logic and reason beyond that of a four year old... something that you apparently lack.

What logic or reason says there are no spirit beings? You made that up.

So you seem to believe in demons and ghosts, eh?

I am in no position to deny angels and spirits, or to engage in gross denial of ancient history, Scripture, and the beliefs of most people that ever lived.