Religion Has Nothing to Do With Science

[QuestioningMind]

What logic or reason says there are no spirit beings? You made that up.


I am in no position to deny angels and spirits, or to engage in gross denial of ancient history, Scripture, and the beliefs of most people that ever lived.

What logic or reason says there are no spirit beings? You made that up.

It's the LACK of any verifiable evidence for demons or spirits that makes it logical and reasonable to conclude they do not exist. Just like the lack of verifiable evidence that the moon is made of green cheese makes to logical and reasonable to conclude that the moon is NOT made of green cheese.

I am in no position to deny angels and spirits, or to engage in gross denial of ancient history, Scripture, and the beliefs of most people that ever lived

How truly sad. The vast majority of people alive today have benefited from what others have learned over the past centuries, yet you're stuck being just as ignorant and uneducated as ancient sheepherders were. No wonder you don't comprehend that its germs and not evil spirits that make people sick. Are you AL:SO one of those boneheads who thinks the Earth is flat?

 

[dad]

It's the LACK of any verifiable evidence for demons or spirits that makes it logical and reasonable to conclude they do not exist.

Except...you made that up, the world has always abounded with evidences and observations, and people concluding there are angels and spirits. Science can't deal in the matter so it is useless as all get out. What's left? Your ignorance based guesses and opinion.

How truly sad. The vast majority of people alive today have benefited from what others have learned over the past centuries,

The accumulated experience and knowledge of man of course includes spiritual elements.
(science doesn't but that is because it cut itself off from all but the physical in a cultish, deliberate, and fanatical way)

yet you're stuck being just as ignorant and uneducated as ancient sheepherders were.

Like you knew them?? Or you believe rumors?

No wonder you don't comprehend that its germs and not evil spirits that make people sick. Are you AL:SO one of those boneheads who thinks the Earth is flat?

Of course every elementary child knows germs make us sick. When we get more advanced, though we realize other things also can do the job. Radiation..poison..stress...etc etc etc.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The accumulated experience and knowledge of man of course includes spiritual elements.
(science doesn't but that is because it cut itself off from all but the physical in a cultish, deliberate, and fanatical way)

Like you knew them?? Or you believe rumors?


Of course every elementary child knows germs make us sick. When we get more advanced, though we realize other things also can do the job. Radiation..poison..stress...etc etc etc.

ROFL... so, what about the Earth, is it flat or a sphere? After all, you're not in a position to accept or deny the beliefs of most people who ever lived... right?

Except...you made that up, the world has always abounded with evidences and observations, and people concluding there are angels and spirits. Science can't deal in the matter so it is useless as all get out. What's left? Your ignorance based guesses and opinion.

What a joke... so the ignorant savages who used to think that the volcanoes erupted because the volcano God was upset had 'evidence' to back up their moronic beliefs? Or MAYBE what they THOUGHT was evidence was nothing more than a lack of comprehension.

Like you knew them?? Or you believe rumors?

I've read what they wrote... and no, just because they wrote it doesn't mean that I think it's true.

Of course every elementary child knows germs make us sick. When we get more advanced, though we realize other things also can do the job. Radiation..poison..stress...etc etc etc

Yes, radiation, poisons, and stress can ALSO make us ill. Of course, there's actual verifiable EVIDENCE that these things has such effect. Care to share your 'evidence' for the moronic claim that demons make people sick? Or hey, about any evidence whatsoever that demons even EXIST?

 

[dad]

ROFL... so, what about the Earth, is it flat or a sphere? After all, you're not in a position to accept or deny the beliefs of most people who ever lived... right?

Why deny actual fact or science?? Lots of pics from space of earth. No mystery there. We do not have pics of what time is like, though, the far side of the universe. Learn to separate fiction from fact.

What a joke... so the ignorant savages who used to think that the volcanoes erupted because the volcano God was upset had 'evidence' to back up their moronic beliefs? Or MAYBE what they THOUGHT was evidence was nothing more than a lack of comprehension.

Israel never thought that. Moses never thought that. Paul never thought that etc etc etc. Strawman. Bible believers try to reach 'ignorant savages', not try to copy them.

I've read what they wrote... and no, just because they wrote it doesn't mean that I think it's true.

You need a reason to claim true or false, noy just some hunch/feeling/preference.

Yes, radiation, poisons, and stress can ALSO make us ill. Of course, there's actual verifiable EVIDENCE that these things has such effect.

In other words manscience covers the physical nly, and so can find evidence regarding those things. It cannot speak about angels and demons though. One way...or the other. It must plead ignorance! If the light that is in them be darkness..how great is that darkness!

Care to share your 'evidence' for the moronic claim that demons make people sick?

Scripture is highly evidenced. The parts man cannot prove or deal with can be taken as true since they are enclosed in truth that has been experienced!

Or hey, about any evidence whatsoever that demons even EXIST?

Yes. Abortion.

 

[paarsurrey]

ROFL... so, what about the Earth, is it flat or a sphere? After all, you're not in a position to accept or deny the beliefs of most people who ever lived... right?

Except...you made that up, the world has always abounded with evidences and observations, and people concluding there are angels and spirits. Science can't deal in the matter so it is useless as all get out. What's left? Your ignorance based guesses and opinion.

What a joke... so the ignorant savages who used to think that the volcanoes erupted because the volcano God was upset had 'evidence' to back up their moronic beliefs? Or MAYBE what they THOUGHT was evidence was nothing more than a lack of comprehension.

Like you knew them?? Or you believe rumors?

I've read what they wrote... and no, just because they wrote it doesn't mean that I think it's true.

Of course every elementary child knows germs make us sick. When we get more advanced, though we realize other things also can do the job. Radiation..poison..stress...etc etc etc

Yes, radiation, poisons, and stress can ALSO make us ill. Of course, there's actual verifiable EVIDENCE that these things has such effect. Care to share your 'evidence' for the moronic claim that demons make people sick? Or hey, about any evidence whatsoever that demons even EXIST?

"so, what about the Earth, is it flat or a sphere?"

I am an Ahmadiyya peace Muslim. I am 100% sure that Quran does not say that the Earth is flat.
About Bible, following is what the JWs say:

Does the Bible Teach That the Earth Is Flat?
AudioAudio download options Does the Bible Teach That the Earth Is Flat?
The Bible’s answer
No, the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. * The Bible is not a science textbook. At the same time, nothing in the Bible contradicts proved science. What the Bible says is “always reliable, now and forever.”—Psalm 111:8.

• What does the Bible mean by “the four corners of the earth”?

The expressions “the four corners of the earth” and “the ends of the earth” used in the Bible are not to be taken literally, as if the earth were square or had ends. (Isaiah 11:12; Job 37:3) Instead, these evidently are figures of speech referring to the entire surface of the earth. The Bible uses the four points of the compass in a similar way.—Luke 13:29.

The Hebrew term translated “corners” or “ends” seems to be an idiom based on the word for “wings.” According to The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, “because the wing of a bird is used as a covering for its young, [this Hebrew term] acquires the meaning of the extremity of anything stretched out.” The same reference work adds that at Job 37:3 and Isaiah 11:12, “the term means the coasts, boundaries, or extremities of the land surface of the earth.”
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/flat-earth/

Regards

 

[Thief]

some lines of thought are self proving

regression is one of them

in mind and heart.....Someone had to be First

that would be God

I don't need a table experiment to be sure

 

[blü 2]

I'm going to take the position that religion has nothing to do with science.

Do you disagree?
Why?

"Truth" in my view means that a statement is true to the extent that it corresponds with / accurately reflects objective reality.

If religion has nothing to do with science then religion has nothing to do with what's true.

 

[paarsurrey]

some lines of thought are self proving

regression is one of them

in mind and heart.....Someone had to be First

that would be God

I don't need a table experiment to be sure

"Someone had to be First
that would be God
"

Truly said.
Regards

 

[QuestioningMind]

Except...you made that up, the world has always abounded with evidences and observations, and people concluding there are angels and spirits. Science can't deal in the matter so it is useless as all get out. What's left? Your ignorance based guesses and opinion.


The accumulated experience and knowledge of man of course includes spiritual elements.
(science doesn't but that is because it cut itself off from all but the physical in a cultish, deliberate, and fanatical way)

Like you knew them?? Or you believe rumors?


Of course every elementary child knows germs make us sick. When we get more advanced, though we realize other things also can do the job. Radiation..poison..stress...etc etc etc.

Except...you made that up, the world has always abounded with evidences and observations, and people concluding there are angels and spirits. Science can't deal in the matter so it is useless as all get out. What's left? Your ignorance based guesses and opinion.

Really... you have VERIFIABLE evidence of angels and spirits. Please DO share! If it's VERIFIABLE then virtually everyone should agree that their real! So let's here what YOU consider to be VERIFIABLE evidence.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Why deny actual fact or science?? Lots of pics from space of earth. No mystery there. We do not have pics of what time is like, though, the far side of the universe. Learn to separate fiction from fact.

Israel never thought that. Moses never thought that. Paul never thought that etc etc etc. Strawman. Bible believers try to reach 'ignorant savages', not try to copy them.

You need a reason to claim true or false, noy just some hunch/feeling/preference.

In other words manscience covers the physical nly, and so can find evidence regarding those things. It cannot speak about angels and demons though. One way...or the other. It must plead ignorance! If the light that is in them be darkness..how great is that darkness!


Scripture is highly evidenced. The parts man cannot prove or deal with can be taken as true since they are enclosed in truth that has been experienced!

Yes. Abortion.

Why deny actual fact or science?? Lots of pics from space of earth. No mystery there. We do not have pics of what time is like, though, the far side of the universe. Learn to separate fiction from fact.

Not very consistent are you? Either you can't deny claims by many people over a long time or you can. Make up your mind.

Israel never thought that. Moses never thought that. Paul never thought that etc etc etc. Strawman. Bible believers try to reach 'ignorant savages', not try to copy them.

Who cares?

You need a reason to claim true or false, noy just some hunch/feeling/preference.

In other words manscience covers the physical nly, and so can find evidence regarding those things. It cannot speak about angels and demons though. One way...or the other. It must plead ignorance! If the light that is in them be darkness..how great is that darkness!

STILL waiting for ANY piece of verifiable evidence that angels or demons even exist. You and other people CLAIMING that they exist means absolutely nothing to me. Peole can make any moronic claim that they want. BACK UP you silly claim and THEN maybe you'd have a leg to stand on.


Scripture is highly evidenced. The parts man cannot prove or deal with can be taken as true since they are enclosed in truth that has been experienced!

ROFL.. okay,. that explains a lot. As far as YOU'RE concerned something is TRUE if it's written in a BOOK. How moronic can you get. I've got news for you, people can write absolutely ANYTHING in a silly book... but it does NOT make it true. Care to supply some ACTUAL evidence that others can VERIFY? Somehow I doubt it.

Yes. Abortion

 

[dad]

The issue is not whether spirits exist. That has been known since man existed. The issue is that ancient records include spirits so if anyone totally denies this, they are denying history.

Most people in the evo religion do exactly that. They engage in denial. They deny God angels, spirits etc. The also deny history. They also deny the limits of what science knows.

 

[dad]

Not very consistent are you? Either you can't deny claims by many people over a long time or you can. Make up your mind.

It's called separating truth from fiction. If we know something admit it. If we do not, admit it.

STILL waiting for ANY piece of verifiable evidence that angels or demons even exist.

The personal experience of millions today and the experience of mankind since the beginning. One cannot dismiss the absolute preponderance of experiences man has. In the very least one cannot dismiss it all for NO REASON AT ALL!!

ROFL.. okay,. that explains a lot. As far as YOU'RE concerned something is TRUE if it's written in a BOOK.

No. When Jesus rose from the dead that proved it. When He came to the country and town to a virgin and was betrayed and killed as prophesied, that seals it. When people the world over try the bible and put it to the test and it works, that is confirmed. Your denials are based on nothing at all. Insane denial comes to mind.

Yes. Abortion

Right, that shows demonic influence. In ancient times child sacrifice was part of the worship of evil gods. History repeats itself.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The issue is not whether spirits exist. That has been known since man existed. The issue is that ancient records include spirits so if anyone totally denies this, they are denying history.

Most people in the evo religion do exactly that. They engage in denial. They deny God angels, spirits etc. The also deny history. They also deny the limits of what science knows.

Actually the issue IS whether or not spirits truly exist... You simply CLAIMING that it's 'been known' since man existed is completely WORTHLESS as evidence. IF it's been KNOWN since man existed then SURELY you can provide me with your verifiable EVIDENCE... yet for SOME reason you refuse to provide any. I'm guessing because NO SUCH EVIDENCE even exists. Since I can provide EXACTLY as much EVIDENCE that magical pixies exist as you can for the existence of your 'spirits' it's easy to conclude that neither of them probably exist.

 

[dad]

Actually the issue IS whether or not spirits truly exist... You simply CLAIMING that it's 'been known'

Since many today claim to have met some, and the written records of ancient times are stuffed to the hilt with references to them, it could not BE more well known!

IF it's been KNOWN since man existed then SURELY you can provide me with your verifiable EVIDENCE..

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Hey the majority of people through the majority of all time in a majority of places and majority of nations all agree that spirits exist. Science doesn't have any ability to verify or deny. So what we have is you rejecting the massive overwhelming history spanning evidences that we do actually have. To top it off you do so for NO reason whatsoever and do so with a religious fanaticism that is off the charts!

I must conclude that the evo religion requires blind denial of history, and Scripture, and eyewitnesses, while at the same time demanding absolute blind faith in anything it belches out of it's fablemongering little beak!

 

[The Hammer]

I'm going to take the position that religion has nothing to do with science.

Do you disagree?
Why?

True, while they may intersect at times, I believe that Religion and Science are Independent of one another as opposed to Inter-dependent.

 

[The Hammer]

Oh, religion has much to do with science.

Very much indeed.

At its best, religion benefits from science, as do all other fields of human activity. And since religion is a varied activity that focuses on the interaction between people, it benefits first and foremost from the scientific findings that involve human health, quality of life in general, learning and motivation, as well as economy, ecology, psychology, sociology and anthropology generally. Even political science.

At its worst, "religion" tries to give orders to its benefactor out of misguided pride and delusions.

So religion has at most/best a connection with the Social Sciences, over others?

 

[Etritonakin]

I'm going to take the position that religion has nothing to do with science.

Do you disagree?
Why?

TRUE religion would be shown to be true by science -but it should be acknowledged that science increases from an initial perspective of ignorance-whereas God -though perhaps beginning from the most simple possible state -would now have a complete perspective.
Science -as we know it -is about 3,500 years old -and the universe about 13.8 billion years old.
That says a great deal about science -which arrived at that number by reverse-engineering.
It also says a great deal about the scientific minds involved -which did none of the work necessary to produce their minds and their capabilities.
They only employed them skillfully.
..but that is the issue... did our minds take "work"?

God -as "I AM THAT AM" -existed AS SUCH (though all before) from the point at which God was able to declare such -and existed as all beforehand.

If we are considering "creation", then we are considering the difference between an ORIGINAL mind -and MASS-PRODUCED minds. It does not matter HOW they were created -whether directly or part of an "executable" which also included a predetermined type of environment (what we call the universe and DNA-based evolution) -or some combination of such -it matters whether or not they required creation.
What we -who are indeed mass-produced -do with our minds is somewhat of our decision -but we had absolutely no power of decision regarding the initial existence or design of our minds.

An "ORIGINAL" mind would likewise not have been able to decide that it would exist and/or develop -but an ORIGINAL MIND WOULD HAVE HAD PERSONAL DECISION-MAKING ABILITY AS INCREASINGLY ABLE. It would have developed by the most basic form of evolution -pre-universe natural development -the most basic characteristics of the most basic components (which long-preceded the elements and DNA-based evolution -which are so purposefully-complex as to have required creation)

An original mind would have required its own work as increasingly able -but the mass-production of extremely capable minds -which did no work themselves -would have required the WORK -including FORETHOUGHT -of an ALREADY-EXTREMELY-CAPABLE MIND.

All things must be preceded by that which makes them both generally possible -and then SPECIFICALLY possible.

The universe-singularity itself essentially contained all of the information necessary to change what was into SPECIFICALLY what is now (except where creativity is applied afterward). It is not the simplicity to be expected in the beginning.

"Science" would eventually determine that a creative mind would necessarily have developed BEFORE what we call the singularity could have been packaged or executed -or IN TANDEM WITH its own pre-universe complex environment -as they would initially be the same thing.

Just as science solved the mystery of the beginning of the physical universe while floating around on a rock within it -not having been there to see it happen, so I believe it could determine such about necessary creativity. However, it would require interest in doing so.

 

[LuisDantas]

So religion has at most/best a connection with the Social Sciences, over others?

The closest, by my understanding. Certainly not the only. Medicine and Nutrition, for instance, are certainly relevant as well. As are Economy and History.

 

[Brad Watson Miami]

@Nakosis ,

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

 

[LazyPekin]

Religion and science are definitely opposed. Science is testable and falsifiable. You can't test religious claims in the lab. Science is evidence based, religion is faith based. Faith is defined as believing something with no evidence or believing something despite the presence of contrary evidence. If you believe that religion and science are compatible, then I thing you want to outgrow religion but you're fighting it.