"Religion of Peace?"

[ADigitalArtist]

Dodge!

The N Korean walking through the airport with a backpack or a Muslim, which would concern you more?

Neither, because again, I don't do racial profiling. That I'm concerned with the behavior of the North Korean government doesn't mean I'm suspicious of every North Korean individual out there, and I'm certainly not going to modify my behavior towards people on the street because of that concern, as that would, you know, be racist and prejudicial.
I have friends which are Korean and Muslim, who wear backpacks at airports. If TSA or anyone decided to give either of them extra 'security checking' because of it I'd say 'Get over yourself you reactionary pansy and stuff your irrational fears where the sun don't shine.'

 

[hughwatt]

Neither, because again, I don't do racial profiling. That I'm concerned with the behavior of the North Korean government doesn't mean I'm suspicious of every North Korean individual out there, and I'm certainly not going to modify my behavior towards people on the street because of that concern, as that would, you know, be racist and prejudicial.
I have friends which are Korean and Muslim, who wear backpacks at airports. If TSA or anyone decided to give either of them extra 'security checking' because of it I'd say 'Get over yourself you reactionary pansy and stuff your irrational fears where the sun don't shine.'

And what "race" is a Muslim to be "racist and prejudicial" against?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And what "race" is a Muslim to be "racist and prejudicial" against?

I can't see someone's religion or nationality looking at them. So what you're really asking is 'I see someone who looks middle eastern or 'see someone who looks Korean and assume:
A. That means they're what I'm afraid of, that is what's racist,
B. That their religion or national background means they will undergo problematic behavior, that's prejudicial. The vast majority of Koreans and Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives, and discrimination based on race, religion, nationality or national origin should be actively discouraged.

 

[VioletVortex]

That is sort of an oxymoron, especially when you consider globalist religions like Abrahamism. Globalism is a good way to start more wars and destroy the world...

 

[hughwatt]

I can't see someone's religion or nationality looking at them. So what you're really asking is 'I see someone who looks middle eastern or 'see someone who looks Korean and assume:
A. That means they're what I'm afraid of, that is what's racist,
B. That their religion or national background means they will undergo problematic behavior, that's prejudicial. The vast majority of Koreans and Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives, and discrimination based on race, religion, nationality or national origin should be actively discouraged.

Muslims are the ME "race?"

The vast majority of N Koreans do not call for the entire world to become N Koreans upon threat of execution. The majority of Muslims call for the world to be subdued in accordance with the Koran and Islamic traditions. Any who go against this will be doing so in opposition to their god Allah and Muhammad.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Muslims are the ME "race?"

No, and that's the point. I know for a fact that the middle East sports many different religions, therefore I would not assume that middle Eastern man or woman is Muslim that I see carrying a backpack in an airport. You apparently would, and then be concerned about it. That's all kinds of nonsense to me.

The majority of Muslims call for the world to be subdued in accordance with the Koran and Islamic traditions.

The majority of Christians call for the world to be subdued in accordance with the the bible and Christian tradition.
See? I can make unsubstantiated fear mongering drivel too. Except it's actually less drivel because the biggest stumbling blocks to women, gays and freedom of religious practice for non-Christians wasn't Muslims, it was Christians. We are still fighting against Christian traditionalist imposed laws today.

 

[shmogie]

How long will it be before Britain becomes the new third Reich?
</senseless leading question>

Britain is much, much closer to becoming an islamic state than a fascist one. I mean, your police Depts cover up their crimes, they raise hell in some parts of London when English people walk their dogs in "their" neighborhoods, your legal system is compromised by their "sharia" law. What you are seeing is the unfortunate swing to uber conservatism because the liberals, instead of treating everyone equally have made carve out's and special treatment for some that the people are getting really sick of. Ditto for Germany, Ditto for France, ditto for The Netherlands. The idea of multiculturalism always breaks down with islam when they are allowed to simply make little middle eastern countries in other countries, then are allowed to turn inward with no effort to understand or assimilate in their host countries,while screaming how the host country should accomodate their culture. Another great failure for progressives and liberals, they have fractured their own societies

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Britain is much, much closer to becoming an islamic state than a fascist one. I mean, your police Depts cover up their crimes, they raise hell in some parts of London when English people walk their dogs in "their" neighborhoods, your legal system is compromised by their "sharia" law. What you are seeing is the unfortunate swing to uber conservatism because the liberals, instead of treating everyone equally have made carve out's and special treatment for some that the people are getting really sick of. Ditto for Germany, Ditto for France, ditto for The Netherlands. The idea of multiculturalism always breaks down with islam when they are allowed to simply make little middle eastern countries in other countries, then are allowed to turn inward with no effort to understand or assimilate in their host countries,while screaming how the host country should accomodate their culture. Another great failure for progressives and liberals, they have fractured their own societies

Strawman and fear mongering, thy name is Islamophobia.
I guess that means because violence by ratio shows that men are staggeringly more oppressive than women, and tend to bring violence wherever we go, women should work to segregate themselves from men and prevent them from setting up their own communities or participating in the legal system. It'll just end badly for women, after all.
Ditto for Christians, as they've hurt civil rights in the West way more than Muslims have.

 

[hughwatt]

No, and that's the point. I know for a fact that the middle East sports many different religions, therefore I would not assume that middle Eastern man or woman is Muslim that I see carrying a backpack in an airport. You apparently would, and then be concerned about it. That's all kinds of nonsense to me.

You said Muslims are a "race" and it's being "racist and prejudicial" profiling them. Then you say Muslims are middle eastern. Try to follow what you say.

Muslims are not being stopped en mass when going through airports. That's nonsense and neither are N Koreans.

You appear to have difficulty answering simple questions to questions you raise.

The majority of Christians call for the world to be subdued in accordance with the the bible and Christian tradition. See? I can make unsubstantiated fear mongering drivel too. Except it's actually less drivel because the biggest stumbling blocks to women, gays and freedom of religious practice for non-Christians wasn't Muslims, it was Christians. We are still fighting against Christian traditionalist imposed laws today.

No, that's the Koran and hadith do. You've not yet addressed one single reference I posted on this but continue to dodge when I ask you for a response.

 

[shmogie]

As I said, your ideas are limited by your cultural upbringing . You think you are sharing some incredible wisdom. I understand and thank you

Moses didn't just believe. He saw a burning bush and went to the mountain and came down with tablets. He performed miracles for all to see. in Isaiah 19:12 he makes it clear that he can tell what will happen to Egypt in the future. So he challenges the Egyptian gods to do the same. The same is true in Matt 24 - a complex set of prophecies. You are specifically warned not to accept stories of miracle workers in dark rooms and distant secluded places where people claim some great person lives who speaks to god. The Bible says they will deceive the elect. So the god who speaks to you in your private room is not the one we are looking for.

We are suppose to be looking for the coming of the son of man that would be from east to west i.e. it will be witnessed by all. According to Daniel perhaps 390 years after the desolation. The temple began to be destroyed around 33 CE when Jesus was crucified. Then again around 70 or 73 CE. after the first rebellion. Then completely by 135 - 138 CE. after the second rebellion. So the signs of his coming should have begun somewhere between 523 CE - 628 CE. The Jews and Christians would have patiently been waiting for this.

So what we are looking for is something that caused the sun to dim and the plague to strike the earth between 523 CE and 628 CE.

Sixth-Century Misery Tied to Not One, But Two, Volcanic Eruptions | Science | Smithsonian

Do you know if something like this ever happened in that time frame?

Sorry, but the prophecies of Daniel cannot be properly understood without the prophecies of Revelation. Most Christians in one form or another see what you are describing as coming much much later than your dates. None see the events as islam.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You said Muslims are a "race" and it's being "racist and prejudicial" profiling them. Then you say Muslims are middle eastern. Try to follow what you say.

Muslims are not being stopped en mass when going through airports. That's nonsense and neither are N Koreans.

You appear to have difficulty answering simple questions to questions you raise.

No, that's the Koran and hadith do. You've not yet addressed one single reference I posted on this but continue to dodge when I ask you for a response.

Reading comprehension is not your thing I guess. You seem to be unable to ask sensible questions, then get mad when I point out why the question doesn't work.

Racial profiling of middle eastern men in American airports is an open secret. And rightly criticized. Because it assumes middle eastern people are the problem, that middle Eastern religions are Muslim, and that Muslims will be a problem. All unconstitutional and immoral behavior.

Because I can't tell from looking what someone's religion will be, there's no practical way for me to answer your question. But I did anyway, both highlighting how your question leads to profiling and that I don't fear my Muslim neighbors or my Korean neighbors, maybe because I actually talk to them instead of breaking out my 'bad guys' broad brush. And I know from experience more of them believe along these lines than the lines fearmongers against Islam would have me believe:
Ephemeral Sharia

In any case, I'm done here. Trying to talk to people who clearly have fear issues blocking then from being reasonable isn't really worth my time, and I've said my piece for those who don't. I'm going to head to a movie with a friend who happens to be a Muslim and another friend who is another atheist, and another friend who is Neo-Pagan. And we'll have a grand old time while you worry about whether my Muslim friend is dangerous or 'not a real Muslim.'

 

[hughwatt]

Reading comprehension is not your thing I guess. You seem to be unable to ask sensible questions, then get mad when I point out why the question doesn't work.

Racial profiling of middle eastern men in American airports is an open secret. And rightly criticized. Because it assumes middle eastern people are the problem, that middle Eastern religions are Muslim, and that Muslims will be a problem. All unconstitutional and immoral behavior.

Because I can't tell from looking what someone's religion will be, there's no practical way for me to answer your question. But I did anyway, both highlighting how your question leads to profiling and that I don't fear my Muslim neighbors or my Korean neighbors, maybe because I actually talk to them instead of breaking out my 'bad guys' broad brush. And I know from experience more of them believe along these lines than the lines fearmongers against Islam would have me believe:
Ephemeral Sharia

In any case, I'm done here. Trying to talk to people who clearly have fear issues blocking then from being reasonable isn't really worth my time, and I've said my piece for those who don't. I'm going to head to a movie with a friend who happens to be a Muslim and another friend who is another atheist, and another friend who is Neo-Pagan. And we'll have a grand old time while you worry about whether my Muslim friend is dangerous or 'not a real Muslim.'

I leave it to those who read your comments to see who can't read for comprehension.

 

[shmogie]

Strawman and fear mongering, thy name is Islamophobia.
I guess that means because violence by ratio shows that men are staggeringly more oppressive than women, and tend to bring violence wherever we go, women should work to segregate themselves from men and prevent them from setting up their own communities or participating in the legal system. It'll just end badly for women, after all.
Ditto for Christians, as they've hurt civil rights in the West way more than Muslims have.

Islamophobia, the irrational fear of moslems. Another term co opted by liberals following big brothers advice in 1984 where they get many of their idea's, change the language to mean what it doesn't mean. I, nor most people who have taken the time to understand islam, fear it. Frankly, I don't fear anything or anybody. Your conclusions are becoming irrational and you are trying to draw parallels that don't exist. So, "participating in the law" means to adopt religious law totally alien to the nation for 1,000 years ? To tell the citizens you are under one law, but these over here are under a religious law ? I have a criminology degree, as well as one in criminal justice, so I have a little understanding of the theory of law, and have worked related to the law for 25 years, and your concept is totally and literally insane. Why can't the neo nazi's have their own laws, or the satanists ? Everybody is equal right ? Would you discriminate against any group who wanted their own law by denying them but letting the moslems have theirs ? What does that do for your liberal sensitivities, other than make you a hypocrite ? So, under your benevolent administration society breaks down to smaller and smaller cultural and legal states within the larger state so all are fulfilled and happy. Yep that's going to work out real well. Continue to foster unassimilated, non integrated, in many cases hostile communities, who by their holy book views the other citizens of the nation ad "infidels" ( a pejorative term in case you didn't know, or have you changed its meaning too ?) and those of Your political persuasion will be totally responsible for the result. Continue to demand that citizens change to accommodate those that will not, and if blood is spilled it will be on your hands.














more than Muslims have.[/QUOTE]

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Islamophobia, the irrational fear of moslems. Another term co opted by liberals following big brothers advice in 1984 where they get many of their idea's, change the language to mean what it doesn't mean. I, nor most people who have taken the time to understand islam, fear it. Frankly, I don't fear anything or anybody. Your conclusions are becoming irrational and you are trying to draw parallels that don't exist. So, "participating in the law" means to adopt religious law totally alien to the nation for 1,000 years ? To tell the citizens you are under one law, but these over here are under a religious law ? I have a criminology degree, as well as one in criminal justice, so I have a little understanding of the theory of law, and have worked related to the law for 25 years, and your concept is totally and literally insane. Why can't the neo nazi's have their own laws, or the satanists ? Everybody is equal right ? Would you discriminate against any group who wanted their own law by denying them but letting the moslems have theirs ? What does that do for your liberal sensitivities, other than make you a hypocrite ? So, under your benevolent administration society breaks down to smaller and smaller cultural and legal states within the larger state so all are fulfilled and happy. Yep that's going to work out real well. Continue to foster unassimilated, non integrated, in many cases hostile communities, who by their holy book views the other citizens of the nation ad "infidels" ( a pejorative term in case you didn't know, or have you changed its meaning too ?) and those of Your political persuasion will be totally responsible for the result. Continue to demand that citizens change to accommodate those that will not, and if blood is spilled it will be on your hands.














more than Muslims have.

[/QUOTE]
Just imagine the most exaggerated eyeroll and I'll give you the same I gave to the other poster:

I don't fear my Muslim neighbors or my Korean neighbors, maybe because I actually talk to them instead of breaking out my 'bad guys' broad brush. And I know from experience more of them believe along these lines than the lines fearmongers against Islam would have me believe:
Ephemeral Sharia

In any case, I'm done here. Trying to talk to people who clearly have fear issues blocking then from being reasonable isn't really worth my time, and I've said my piece for those who don't. I'm going to head to a movie with a friend who happens to be a Muslim and another friend who is another atheist, and another friend who is Neo-Pagan. And we'll have a grand old time while you worry about whether my Muslim friend is dangerous or 'not a real Muslim.'

She's laughing over being compared to Nazi, and says Godwin law evoked, by the way.

 

[J2hapydna]

Sorry, but the prophecies of Daniel cannot be properly understood without the prophecies of Revelation. Most Christians in one form or another see what you are describing as coming much much later than your dates. None see the events as islam.

Revelations is so vague and subjective nobody can seriously think of it as a prophecy.

Show me one Christian scholar from the 6th century or before who predicted a 2,000 year waiting period. Did you look at the link? Now that is what I call fulfilling a real prophecy by a real god LOL.

If you Christians could get your son of god in a Trinity to do all that we would never hear the end of it. Alas, it hasn't happened. So Christians keep moving the goal post. Now it's been nearly 2,000 years but I guess hope springs eternal. Keep waiting LOL. However don't tell me I should wait for him too now, when he has already done what he said he would.

If you aren't mathematically challenged, tell me what were the chances that 400 years after the desolation all these things described in Isaiah 19, Matt 24 and Dan 10 etc would come true?

 

[Notanumber]

How long will it be before Britain becomes the new third Reich?
</senseless leading question>

Not long if Islam continues unabated.


BTW, you brought North Korea into the discussion.

 

[Notanumber]

Excellent video that shows how many moslems refuse to hold their religion accountable for one scintilla of it's chronic and long standing violence. Recently, in the peoples republic of kalifornia, a man with the last name of mohammed, shouting alihu akbar (sp?) shot down and murdered a total of four people. In that liberal enclave it had nothing to do with religion or terrorism.

BTW I like your avitar, I am old enough to remember the show, though I liked Patrick Mc Goohan much better in "secret agent"


She refuses to answer the question and is defended by some do-gooder.

[/QUOTE]

I believe Islam has too many western appeasers that appear to suffer from blinkered vision syndrome.


BTW, I believe they called it Secret Agent in the States whereas it was known as Danger Man over here in the UK. They have been repeating The Prisoner series on TV recently, but it doesn’t live up to how I recollected it from my youth.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Not long if Islam continues unabated.


BTW, you brought North Korea into the discussion.

Not long if secularism continues unabated.
Not long if Christianity continues unabated.
Not long if ...

I worry about the actions of the North Korean government, not about whether my Korean neighbors is going to try and take over the world. Because I'm not an ***. Last time:

I don't fear my Muslim neighbors or my Korean neighbors, maybe because I actually talk to them instead of breaking out my 'bad guys' broad brush. And I know from experience more of them believe along these lines than the lines fearmongers against Islam would have me believe:
Ephemeral Sharia

In any case, I'm done here. Trying to talk to people who clearly have fear issues blocking then from being reasonable isn't really worth my time, and I've said my piece for those who don't. I'm going to head to a movie with a friend who happens to be a Muslim and another friend who is another atheist, and another friend who is Neo-Pagan. And we'll have a grand old time while you worry about whether my Muslim friend is dangerous or 'not a real Muslim.'

 

[shmogie]

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Reading comprehension is not your thing I guess. You seem to be unable to ask sensible questions, then get mad when I point out why the question doesn't work.

Racial profiling of middle eastern men in American airports is an open secret. And rightly criticized. Because it assumes middle eastern people are the problem, that middle Eastern religions are Muslim, and that Muslims will be a problem. All unconstitutional and immoral behavior. Really, using race as one of many factors in profiling a potential terrorist is un constitutional ? Please show me. Every airport officer in every country uses a whole series of indicators that must be cumulative and race can be one of those. Lets just see, hmmm, statistically, who historically has been most likely to blow up an airliner........................................................?


Because I can't tell from looking what someone's religion will be, there's no practical way for me to answer your question. But I did anyway, both highlighting how your question leads to profiling and that I don't fear my Muslim neighbors or my Korean neighbors, maybe because I actually talk to them instead of breaking out my 'bad guys' broad brush. And I know from experience more of them believe along these lines than the lines fearmongers against Islam would have me believe: There are assimilated moslems who speak the language and follow the laws and there are those that don't, there is a vast difference.

Revelations is so vague and subjective nobody can seriously think of it as a prophecy.

Show me one Christian scholar from the 6th century or before who predicted a 2,000 year waiting period. Did you look at the link? Now that is what I call fulfilling a real prophecy by a real god LOL. If you Christians could get your son of god in a Trinity to do all that we would never hear the end of it.
Alas, it hasn't happened. So
Christians keep moving the goal post. Now it's been nearly 2,000 years. Hope springs eternal. Keep waiting, but don't tell me I should wait for him too when he has already done what he said he would.

I actually thought we were going to have a civil discussion, but you have proven my hopes in vain. A hint, then we will end this.im the book of Revelation Christ has a different message for each of 7 Christian churches. Their condition or state is discussed and what they should do. Each church represents in order the phases of the Christian Church and their descriptions match exactly to the stages of the Church in history. We are in the final phase, the Church of Laodecia, the book was written 1900 years ago.

Ephemeral Sharia

In any case, I'm done here. Trying to talk to people who clearly have fear issues blocking then from being reasonable isn't really worth my time, and I've said my piece for those who don't. I'm going to head to a movie with a friend who happens to be a Muslim and another friend who is another atheist, and another friend who is Neo-Pagan. And we'll have a grand old time while you worry about whether my Muslim friend is dangerous or 'not a real Muslim.'

Just imagine the most exaggerated eyeroll and I'll give you the same I gave to the other poster:
LOL just exactly as expected, you cannot counter logic or fact with logic or fact, just fatuous and empty opinion and liberal fuzz and diversion.Adieu

She's laughing over being compared to Nazi, and says Godwin law evoked, by the way.[/QUOTE] There you go again, typical. I compared no one to a nazi, I simply asked why they couldn't have their own law. Liberal tactictics again, misrepresentation.

Revelations is so vague and subjective nobody can seriously think of it as a prophecy.

Show me one Christian scholar from the 6th century or before who predicted a 2,000 year waiting period. Did you look at the link? Now that is what I call fulfilling a real prophecy by a real god LOL.

If you Christians could get your son of god in a Trinity to do all that we would never hear the end of it. Alas, it hasn't happened. So Christians keep moving the goal post. Now it's been nearly 2,000 years but I guess hope springs eternal. Keep waiting LOL. However don't tell me I should wait for him too now, when he has already done what he said he would.

If you aren't mathematically challenged, tell me what were the chances that 400 years after the desolation all these things described in Isaiah 19, Matt 24 and Dan 10 etc would come true?

All things weren't desolated, the temple was. The desolation of ALL things hasn't occurred yet, but you will know when it does.

 

[shmogie]

I believe Islam has too many western appeasers that appear to suffer from blinkered vision syndrome.


BTW, I believe they called it Secret Agent in the States whereas it was known as Danger Man over here in the UK. They have been repeating The Prisoner series on TV recently, but it doesn’t live up to how I recollected it from my youth.[/QUOTE]
Does anything ??