Religious Liberty: President Trump's Unmatched Record

[Wrangler]

Most of these have nothing to do with religious freedom.

Sad that you do not know who your friends from your enemies.

What I listed has everything to do with religious liberty - and opposed the tyranny of the religion of secularism.

 

[Wrangler]

So, your theory is that an OP can troll his own thread??

 

[Wrangler]

You do recognize that several of your treasured actions are really all about saying: "My religious beliefs get to be the word of law for how other people live, whether they share my beliefs or not" don't you?

Yup. You seem to define religious liberty as no religious liberty at all.

Some time ago during the horrible Obama years, I wrote a piece about how Obama and the Left attempted to falsely equate FREEDOM OF RELIGION with WORHIP.

People came to America for religious freedom - to establish a society based on their religious precepts. They did NOT travel across the ocean and live in the wilderness to merely worship in private but live their daily lives according to the religion of secularism.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sad that you do not know who your friends from your enemies.

What I listed has everything to do with religious liberty - and opposed the tyranny of the religion of secularism.

No, very few of them do. They only have to do with your own religious views, many of which are not even supported by the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yup. You seem to define religious liberty as no religious liberty at all.

Some time ago during the horrible Obama years, I wrote a piece about how Obama and the Left attempted to falsely equate FREEDOM OF RELIGION with WORHIP.

People came to America for religious freedom - to establish a society based on their religious precepts. They did NOT travel across the ocean and live in the wilderness to merely worship in private but live their daily lives according to the religion of secularism.

Secularism is not a religion. If you think that it is you do not understand the concept.

 

[epronovost]

Opposing saying “Merry Christmas” is just weird.

You are aware that the "war on christmas" is a conspiracy theory and that nobody gives a rat's *** about people who say "merry Christmas".

 

[Brickjectivity]

Sure it is. Impossible to model moral behavior from the unrepentant.

The Christians who are letting lots of kids grow up as orphans and putting people into homees have no complaint. We all know the scripture "Good and pure religion is this: taking care of widows and orphans..." Outlawing things is nothing but making excuses sometimes. Those who do nothing criticize. Its a principle of life.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Jesus death on the cross does not necessarily stop people from sinning.

This fact does not justify people claiming Jesus was not good for religion or religious liberty.

Just for reference since we're talking about Jesus. [Rom 2:19-24 NIV] "19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? ..."

Orphans everywhere stuck in foster care and orphanages. People being put into homes. Homeless on the streets. Human trafficking. Its all connected. Outlawing things that aren't even outlawed in the bible...seems like its just a terrible excuse for doing nothing. Absolutely nothing but living to watch TV, living to take care of our own, to bless our own children. Its rotten to the core. How in all of this do you believe God would entrust Christians, today, with the honor of ending abortion? He wouldn't. I know I wouldn't. I'd let someone else like almost anyone. Anything Christians wanted to solve politically I'd frustrate, because they weren't doing what I wanted them doing in the first place.

[Rom 16:19-20 NIV] "19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice because of you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. 20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you."

Outlawing everything isn't the way forward. Its not equal to Christians doing what they are responsible to be doing. If they don't do that then of course there will be lawlessness everywhere. Of course it is not convenient to Christians that they ought to be doing something. Far easier to point the finger and place heavy burdens upon others. Sound familiar?

 

[sun rise]

Preventing pastors from talking about politics is what the FF tried to prevent?! Educate yourself on The Office of the Chaplain of Congress, established by the FF continuing to this very day.

The House Chaplain has existed since the first days of the United States no matter which party was in charge. The office has never been about politics and is not today.

The fact that religious leaders have abandoned moral leadership to take partisan political positions tells me they've chosen mammon over God.

 

[oldbadger]

Recently joining RF, it is disheartening to read posts antithetical to the greatest champion of religious liberty, generally, and Jewish and Christianity in particular since the demi-god's, the Founding Father's passed the 1A...............................

Hi........

And..... No.
Ask any Muslim for their opinions about the above.

It's a long list, Wrangler.
Oh.... and he's a total hypocrite.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay I have to ask this of my Americastani RF friends.
What is up with the Happy Holidays controversy I keep seeing?
Like do you guys not get holidays around the Christmas season? Do people wish others a merry Christmas before Dec 25th? That seems so odd to me.


Sorry, just curious. Carry on.

Lots of Christians believe there is a "war on Christmas," and the push to do away with Christ and Christmas is a very real danger in their head. They get offended, because how dare others not acknowledge their religion? It gets so wacky, squirrel turd nuts they believe Xmas is attempting to remove Christ from Christmas.

No. I know 100% America is and always has been a Christian nation.

It's not. Congress shall pass no laws respecting it. Even many Christians during the signing of the Constitution were some of the biggest supporters of a separation of church and state.

 

[Heyo]

So, your theory is that an OP can troll his own thread??

An OP can troll the forum it's on. To me, you look like a caricature of a blow hard, delusional, bigoted, radical Trump fan. You make our resident Trumpists look sane. And it probably didn't escape you that the audience in this forum is mostly liberal. An ideal target for a right-wing troll.
But I can be mistaken.

 

[SomeRandom]

An OP can troll the forum it's on. To me, you look like a caricature of a blow hard, delusional, bigoted, radical Trump fan. You make our resident Trumpists look sane. And it probably didn't escape you that the audience in this forum is mostly liberal. An ideal target for a right-wing troll.
But I can be mistaken.

I do detect a troll like aspect. I’m not accusing anyone, to be clear. Just an observation given the language usage. I have seen forums colonised by such rhetoric in the past. But I’m willing to be proven wrong.

 

[exchemist]

I guess you did not read his last accomplishment - about being a peacemaker.

Beyond that, you are dead wrong to suppose his personal behavior would be more impressive when the SUBJECT is his public policies.

I eagerly look forward to his re-election in 2024 - by the landslide he legitimately won in 2020.

Put the bong down.

 

[exchemist]

An OP can troll the forum it's on. To me, you look like a caricature of a blow hard, delusional, bigoted, radical Trump fan. You make our resident Trumpists look sane. And it probably didn't escape you that the audience in this forum is mostly liberal. An ideal target for a right-wing troll.
But I can be mistaken.

But you're not.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yup. You seem to define religious liberty as no religious liberty at all.

Some time ago during the horrible Obama years, I wrote a piece about how Obama and the Left attempted to falsely equate FREEDOM OF RELIGION with WORHIP.

People came to America for religious freedom - to establish a society based on their religious precepts. They did NOT travel across the ocean and live in the wilderness to merely worship in private but live their daily lives according to the religion of secularism.

Apparently you don't understand your own topic at all, which is pretty strange. First, the Puritans who came to America were not looking for religious freedom. They were looking for the right to practice what they wanted, and ensure that everybody else around them did, too.

Second, religious freedom means nothing more than the right -- of everybody -- to practice their religion, and worship, or not worship, as they pleased. Everybody. That means the right of the Muslim to worship in his mosque, the Catholic in his cathedral, the Hindu in his temple, the Jew in his synagogue, the Quaker in his meeting house -- and for atheists not to bother with any of it. If you want, your sabbath can be on Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Or you don't need a sabbath, but can take your rest on any day, and in any way, that you choose.

So before you write another piece on this topic, you'd better figure out what your topic really is, and if that is the right to force your ways on everybody else, then say so -- and then defend it.

 

[Wrangler]

Apparently you don't understand your own topic at all, which is pretty strange. First, the Puritans who came to America were not looking for religious freedom. They were looking for the right to practice what they wanted, and ensure that everybody else around them did, too.

LOL. I understand my own topic VERY well thank you. It is you are a victim of secular thinking. Indeed, the Puritans were looking for religious liberty - which means precisely, the right to practice what they wanted, and ensure that everybody else around them did, too.

Educate yourself about the established religions in America. First, they were all Christian State sponsored religions. Second, fear that one denomination would seek to impose their doctrines onto other places is what lead to the 1A. Third, note that the 1A DOES NOT RESTRICT STATES from establishing a religion, only the newly formed compact between the States.

The 1A is a restriction of federal power.

To not get this, to not understand properly he history of religious freedom, is to limit yourself to a secular world view and limit your grasp of freedom of religion to merely freedom of worship.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

LOL. I understand my own topic VERY well thank you. It is you are a victim of secular thinking. Indeed, the Puritans were looking for religious liberty - which means precisely, the right to practice what they wanted, and ensure that everybody else around them did, too.

LOL yourself. See your own words -- that is not religious freedom, that is religious exclusionism. Your words themselves say that you are not arguing for what you think you are.

 

[icehorse]

No. I know 100% America is and always has been a Christian nation.

That's a very un-Christian perspective.

 

[Wrangler]

that is not religious freedom, that is religious exclusionism.

It is religious freedom, the religious freedom Trump is praised for defending.

Your basic problem is in redefining words according to secular dogma, disregarding the centuries old and religious oriented culture the words came from.

Ever hear of the expression, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do?” This does NOT mean your secular concept of disrespecting the culture on which you are treading - including religion.

At America’s Founding, our Christian Nation established 3 Holy Days. These were to honor the birth of our deliverers:

• Christ - from sin oppression
• Columbus - from Islamic oppression
• Washington - from imperial England oppression

Other countries are free to establish Holy Days that seem best for their form of religious expression.