Religious Liberty: President Trump's Unmatched Record

[Wrangler]

Which would automatically make Religious Freedom extinct in America. (from a constitutional perspective).
But this is what millions of Christian Nationalists support and vote for in America. Changing the secular constitution into a theocratic document.

Completely backwards in every sentence.

1. The Constitutional perspective of Religious Freedom extinction would be only if the Federal Government imposed a State enforced religion - like secular humanism, for instance.
2. Millions of Christian Nationalists support and voted for in America religious freedom as the Christian Founding Father's meant that term. (Not how secular humanists, who revise history, suppose it meant)
3. The Christian Constitution emerged from a Christian nation by men who admitted they referred to the Bible in developing its tenets more than any other source.
4. The document that prohibits theocracy by the Creature is not in any way being perverted to be an instrument of theocratic rule at the national level by Christians.

My wife is left handed. I guess by your reasoning, our society would be better off if we did not impose which side of the road to drive on, in the name of so-called Liberty. Oh, the horror, the tyranny of returning to the founding principles that made America the freest, most prosperous, most powerful nation in the history of the word ...

 

[tytlyf]

Completely backwards in every sentence.

1. The Constitutional perspective of Religious Freedom extinction would be only if the Federal Government imposed a State enforced religion - like secular humanism, for instance.
2. Millions of Christian Nationalists support and voted for in America religious freedom as the Christian Founding Father's meant that term. (Not how secular humanists, who revise history, suppose it meant)
3. The Christian Constitution emerged from a Christian nation by men who admitted they referred to the Bible in developing its tenets more than any other source.
4. The document that prohibits theocracy by the Creature is not in any way being perverted to be an instrument of theocratic rule at the national level by Christians.

My wife is left handed. I guess by your reasoning, our society would be better off if we did not impose which side of the road to drive on, in the name of so-called Liberty. Oh, the horror, the tyranny of returning to the founding principles that made America the freest, most prosperous, most powerful nation in the history of the word ...

You're wrong on every front. Secular Humanism isn't a religion.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Recently joining RF, it is disheartening to read posts antithetical to the greatest champion of religious liberty

Here's a question for a supporter of the 1st amendment. If I codify values like abortion and gay marriage into a religion , will you as a conservative then respect these things as a 1st amendment values , since they become religious values , or would you oppose the free exercise of that religion

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You're wrong on every front. Secular Humanism isn't a religion.

Dare I say that I'm onto a brilliant point : if you make it into a religion , he cannot contest the free exercise of it without going directly against the foundational values of the country

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Now that I read other posts here, I doubt I'd get through to the op poster. Look man, the 1st amendment does not mean that Christianity is the only religion you can have here , there is no way you can prove that to me

 

[Wrangler]

Now that I read other posts here, I doubt I'd get through too to the op. Look man, the 1st amendment does not mean that Christianity is the only religion you can have here , there is no way you can prove that to me

Fortunately, I am not trying to prove that to you. Let me ask you this simple question; why can't a land filled with Christians establish the type of society they want to?

If you are brave, here is a follow up question; identify that society that is free, prosperous and secure that does not have Christian roots?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Let me ask you this simple question; why can't a land filled with Christians establish the type of society they want to?

If you are saying that their values ought to be able to extend out to non-christians, that would be impolite

 

[amorphous_constellation]

If you are brave, here is a follow up question; identify that society that is free, prosperous and secure that does not have Christian roots?

Depends entirely on how you define those things

 

[Wrangler]

If you are saying that their values ought to be able to extend out to non-christians, that would be impolite

Indeed, I and the Supreme Court are saying that. Take the Christmas Hoy Day, for instance. Not once have I encountered non-Christians demanding NOT to be paid for not working on that Christian Holy Day. The same goes with most usually have Saturday's and Sunday's off.

 

[Wrangler]

Depends entirely on how you define those things

Playing semantic games is impolite. But I understand why you skirt the question which invokes fear in non-Christians.


Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 3:17

 

[tytlyf]

why can't a land filled with Christians establish the type of society they want to?

Because of the secular constitution. Religious laws are forbidden in a secular society.

If you are brave, here is a follow up question; identify that society that is free, prosperous and secure that does not have Christian roots?

America has progressive roots, not conservative. The founders were progressives. For instance, Abraham Lincoln was a progressive.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yup. You seem to define religious liberty as no religious liberty at all.

Some time ago during the horrible Obama years, I wrote a piece about how Obama and the Left attempted to falsely equate FREEDOM OF RELIGION with WORHIP.

People came to America for religious freedom - to establish a society based on their religious precepts. They did NOT travel across the ocean and live in the wilderness to merely worship in private but live their daily lives according to the religion of secularism.

Hmm, then I wonder why they set up a secular Constitution.

 

[McBell]

Hmm, then I wonder why they set up a secular Constitution.

um...
It was The Satan and his cronies that made them do it.
What better way to get rid of god than to put it in the constitution that we have freedom of religion...

Wait...
No...
hold that thought...
I'll be back

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you familiar with the Treaty of Tripoli article 11 signed by President John Adams in 1797?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Would you consider yourself a Dominionist?

Beat me to it.

 

[Inquire of God]

Recently joining RF, it is disheartening to read posts antithetical to the greatest champion of religious liberty, generally, and Jewish and Christianity in particular since the demi-god's, the Founding Father's passed the 1A.

Friends, Judeo-Christians, Countrymen!
Lend me your ears.
I come to bury Trump not to praise him ...​

Seriously, the personal attacks against the man show a pettiness that is beneath the dignity our Lord died for. Let's look at the record and put it in historic context. Moses and David were murderers and Cyrus did not even know God but God used them for His purpose. Trump might be the most pro-religion president ever. Christian conservatives are judging Trump not by his faith, but by his works. And when it comes to life and liberty, his works are good. An incomplete summary:

1. Stopped federal funding of abortions - Day One
2. Only President to Attend March For Life
3. Repealed Johnson Amendment - so religious leaders may speak out on political matters without penalty.
4. Created the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division at the Department of Health and Human Services to protect the civil rights of doctors, nurses and other health-care workers who refuse to take part in procedures
5. Established the 1776 Commission (countering the pernicious 1619 Project) promoting "patriotic education" including the Judeo-Christian values that established our national contract.
6. his Justice Department issued 25-page guidance to federal agencies instructing them to protect the religious liberty in the execution of federal law.
7. Limit Gay Couples Adopting.
8. Aggressively argued State of Indiana ex rel. Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Indianapolis v. Marion County Superior Court - and won
9. Aggressively argued Our Lady of Guadalupe School v. Morrissey-Berru - and won. Allowing religious organizations to make faith based decisions even if it offended feminist groups and LGBTQ sensibilities.
10. Advocated saying "Merry Christmas" and not bow down to politically correct thought police offended by anything other than 'Happy Holiday' and Winter Vacation rather than the traditional 'Christmas Break.'
11. Appointed 264 Conservative, Pro-Life Judges - including 3 Supreme Court Justices. More than any POTUS ever.
12. Recognized Christianity in America is under sustained attack.
13. DCPD-201700309 - Executive Order 13798-Promoting Free Speech and Religious Liberty
14. Recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel
15. Moved the US Embassy to Israel's capital, like America has in most, if not all other countries.
16. Made Peace in the Middle East and started no new wars. The first president to achieve this record in half a century.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God
Matthew 5:9

I was going to avoid politics today! The only criticism I have for former President Trump are his vitriolic tweets and other statements that literally made it impossible for democrats to even want to try to get on board with him and have some cooperation. I criticize the democrats for their inability to seek the welfare of the American people first and work with him, but I see that to do so they had to swallow so much of his rhetoric it would take a saint to accomplish it, and we all know they ain't saints.
If the impeachment fails and he runs again I hope he will use a tactic of gentle diplomacy instead of knock them down grimacing.

 

[VoidCat]

Okay I have to ask this of my Americastani RF friends.
What is up with the Happy Holidays controversy I keep seeing?
Like do you guys not get holidays around the Christmas season? Do people wish others a merry Christmas before Dec 25th? That seems so odd to me.


Sorry, just curious. Carry on.

People see it as attacking Christians to say happy holidays cuz we have to be politically correct..apparently they don't understand not everyone celebrates Christmas and some like me celebrate other holidays during that time

 

[SomeRandom]

People see it as attacking Christians to say happy holidays cuz we have to be politically correct..apparently they don't understand not everyone celebrates Christmas and some like me celebrate other holidays during that time

Do..do you guys not have Christmas holidays?

 

[VoidCat]

Do..do you guys not have Christmas holidays?

We do. Most people celebrate Christmas...and most no one cares if you wish a merry Christmas. In fact people get mad when you wish a happy holidays cuz you arent wishing a merry Christmas instead as they are worried you are trying to change the nation from a Christian one and getting rid of Christ.I just wish a happy holidays in case someone celebrates a different holiday due to religious reasons. It makes no sense to me why thats an issue

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Indeed, I and the Supreme Court are saying that. Take the Christmas Hoy Day, for instance. Not once have I encountered non-Christians demanding NOT to be paid for not working on that Christian Holy Day. The same goes with most usually have Saturday's and Sunday's off.

and you probably won't get a majority of Christians to back ubi, since a core tenet in the bible , is that if you don't work , it might become a sin. I say this because you seem to assume , implicitly in your statement , that the institution of work itself can't be questioned

As well, the supreme court must then be saying that other religions can influence the country as they will

If you are brave, here is a follow up question; identify that society that is free, prosperous and secure that does not have Christian roots?

You can watch world 1 veterans talk on color tv. Our societies are in chronological earshot of the most horrendous wars

 

[SomeRandom]

We do. Most people celebrate Christmas...and most no one cares if you wish a merry Christmas. In fact people get mad when you wish a happy holidays cuz you arent wishing a merry Christmas instead as they are worried you are trying to change the nation from a Christian one and getting rid of Christ.I just wish a happy holidays in case someone celebrates a different holiday due to religious reasons. It makes no sense to me why thats an issue

Some people just want to be offended over something, I suppose